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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif



I’d say the whole world is seeing a rise in the far right and it’s an equal and opposite reaction to the rise in the far left. Political correctness and forced multiculturalism have been the catalyst for the rise in right wing views.

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Quote: POSTL "Whilst I agree with most of what you say, I disagree that Brexit was centred around immigration. There were lots of reasons people voted to leave the EU and Freedom of movement (not immigration) was just one of them, this country needs immigration that their is no doubt.

Racism does exist in every sport, however, I must say I very rarely if ever come across it in our game.'"


Oh, come on, the whole Brexit remit was to reduce immigration and control our own borders.
By dispensing with freedom of movement, necessarily, immigration (and emigration, at least from the EU nations, will reduce.

Of course, the irony in this is that, immigration will increase from outside the EU and some of those driving the anti EU agenda are massively in favour of this, for a whole host of reasons.

However, immigration was THE no 1 issue in the referendum and to pretend otherwise is somewhat misguided.

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Quote: post "Political correctness and forced multiculturalism have been the catalyst for the rise in right wing views.'"

Complete rubbish. The parts of the country that are the least diversified, the least multicultural and have the lowest immigration were most in favour of Brexit, for example many costal towns. Where as the areas with the most immigration and that are the most multicultural, such as London were in favour of remaining in the EU.

You could perhaps say a fear of multiculturalism, stoked up by that hypocrite and German passport holder Nigel Farage. However I still don’t believe this to be true. It is a rise in poverty and inequality that has seen the far right gain in popularity. Sadly they give people a scapegoat for the dire situation they find themselves in and too many people go for it.

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "Complete rubbish. The parts of the country that are the least diversified, the least multicultural and have the lowest immigration were most in favour of Brexit, for example many costal towns. Where as the areas with the most immigration and that are the most multicultural, such as London were in favour of remaining in the EU.

You could perhaps say a fear of multiculturalism, stoked up by that hypocrite and German passport holder Nigel Farage. However I still don’t believe this to be true. It is a rise in poverty and inequality that has seen the far right gain in popularity. Sadly they give people a scapegoat for the dire situation they find themselves in and too many people go for it.'"


You're almost right.
Scapegoating immigrants s being the cause of many of the country's problems and the anti immigration rhetoric, empowered many closet racists and it was little wonder that was such a huge increase in racial attacks following the referendum.

As for political correctness, of course there is some stuff that is utter nonsense ie blackboards becoming chalk boards etc but, equally, some of the race driven comments that were accepted in the 80, now being off limits are a definite step in the right direction.

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "Sadly they give people a scapegoat for the dire situation they find themselves in and too many people go for it.'"


Bang on the money - the establishment have played a blinder in convincing the people they've been screwing over for the last 10 years, that the reason for their reduced circumstances is immigration; it's straight out of the Tory playbook - divide and conquer - so that where working class British, Polish and Romanians should be in solidarity, they're actually pitted against each other.

We fall for it every time, thanks in large part to a print media that is owned by non-dom billionaire's with a right wing agenda, and a virtually state-controlled BBC, thanks to a creeping campaign of Tory installed senior officers.

We've been had.

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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid. Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal. Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_20333.gif



A lot of the left wing rhetoric on here is straight out of the left wing play book. On the same lines as only poor thick people don’t like foreigners and immigrants get the blame because of this.

I’d recommend watching a few Jordan Peterson, Peter Hitchens and Christopher Hitchens videos to enlighten or red pill some of you.

To say the most diverse places voted to remain is an outright LIE! Boston, the highest voting leave area at 75% leave is probably the most European driven diverse place in the Country. How do you answer that?

And please don’t bring London into the equation, London is it’s own entity.

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Quote: post "I’d recommend watching a few Jordan Peterson, Peter Hitchens and Christopher Hitchens videos to enlighten or red pill some of you.'"


Christopher Hitchens is turning in his grave at being included on that list; he would have eviscerated Jordan Peterson, the same way he did his own significantly less intelligent and talented brother.

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In my opinion it’s economic difficulties that have caused increased extremism to both left and right wing parties. The global recession was the cause. That’s the single shared circumstance across all countries.

The effects of that recession have been disastrous. As was the case in the 1930s people that are forced into poverty can reject politics of the centre as the reason they’re in this mess and become more susceptible to populists who provide easy answers.

We all saw where that led.

Unfortunately I can only see increased polarisation coming. Probably even more so after Brexit as the scapegoats of the EU will need replacing with others, probably the poor and the sick.

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Quote: Bullseye "In my opinion it’s economic difficulties that have caused increased extremism to both left and right wing parties. '"

It’s funny our right wing non domicile billionaire owned media love to call left wing policy extreme, when in fact a majority of people are in favour of those very policies which are described as extreme.

For example the public strongly support the fundamental socialist principle of public ownership when it comes to police services (96%), schools (93%), the NHS (89%), the Royal Mail (76%), the railways (71%), the water companies (70%), and the energy companies (63%).

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "It's been gradually getting worse since the 2008 financial crisis. Nations always become increasingly right wing after an economic shock.'"


Yep.

I think there's an element of focus on certain key floating voters in certain swing seats that have left a lot people disillusioned with centrist politics and drift to the fringes, as well.

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I’d recommend watching a few Jordan Peterson, Peter Hitchens and Christopher Hitchens videos to enlighten or red pill some of you.'"


I think there's a separate issue around populism and polemicism. Whether it is angry middle-aged men on the right, or comedians like Boyle or Lee on the left, they do a decent job of making ideas accessible. However, these are not great thinkers. Boyle is funny though.

I'd recommend reading some books by non-celebrity authors. And avoiding the red pill metaphor. It sounds like you're recruiting to a cult.

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Quote: Mild Rover "I think there's a separate issue around populism and polemicism. Whether it is angry middle-aged men on the right, or comedians like Boyle or Lee on the left, they do a decent job of making ideas accessible. However, these are not great thinkers. Boyle is funny though.

I'd recommend reading some books by non-celebrity authors. And avoiding the red pill metaphor. It sounds like you're recruiting to a cult.'"


Two great books absolutely turned me off socialism, I’m sure you’ve read them yourself but 1984 and Animal Farm. If they don’t scare you away from the left and the way in which they are steering us then I don’t know what will.

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Quote: post "Two great books absolutely turned me off socialism, I’m sure you’ve read them yourself but 1984 and Animal Farm. If they don’t scare you away from the left and the way in which they are steering us then I don’t know what will.'"

They are George Orwell books, he was a democratic socialist but opposed totalitarianism. The NHS is an example of socialism in action, do you oppose that?

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Quote: post "Two great books absolutely turned me off socialism, I’m sure you’ve read them yourself but 1984 and Animal Farm. If they don’t scare you away from the left and the way in which they are steering us then I don’t know what will.'"


They are very fine books. Obviously though, not many on the left are advocating Stalinism, and I don't think resisting or trying to reverse the growth in inequality inevitably leads to it. 1984, I read more as being about totalitarianism generally, it was more of a fascistic dystopia in many ways.

The arguments put forward by Orwell in The Road to Wigan Pier are broadly of the left.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Oh, come on, the whole Brexit remit was to reduce immigration and control our own borders.
By dispensing with freedom of movement, necessarily, immigration (and emigration, at least from the EU nations, will reduce.

Of course, the irony in this is that, immigration will increase from outside the EU and some of those driving the anti EU agenda are massively in favour of this, for a whole host of reasons.

However, immigration was THE no 1 issue in the referendum and to pretend otherwise is somewhat misguided.'"


I wasn't going to reply to this as this post is not about Brexit and certainly my reply's have mostly included Brexit and therefore, would like to apologise to the original poster.
However, with respect to you and your post. I'm not sure the whole Brexit remit was about immigration, As the main slogan from the Official Leave campaign which many remain voters love reminding me of was the slogan on the Big Red Bus which was about the amount of money we sent weekly to the EU.

Certainly controlling our own borders with regards the EU and ending freedom of movement was a big part of the referendum result. I'm not sure why you say that immigration WILL increase from outside the EU as a result, the only possible reasons this would happen surely is because, people from the EU would not want to come here, then so be it, or if people from outside the EU would be better suited to what is on offer then again I say so be it.

Most of what I do post are my opinions as most of us don't actually know what will happen if we actually do leave the EU and by that fact you could be right in some of what you say. But in contrast reading your post, you do seem to know what is going to happen.

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Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
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Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
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17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
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17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
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20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
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Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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