Where are you hoping to head to?

Sorry!

I guess if we turn away the French and Germans etc there's no reason why they won't do it to us

[iI hope that I am wrong but the swashbuckling, sleeves rolled up, tough negotiating Mr Cameron already knows that the UK will not be leaving the EU. His paymasters will not allow it.

Any reforms he doggedly negotiates will be so wafer thin they will be meaningless as can already be seen by looking at what he is asking for.

This of course will be trumpeted by the Main Stream Media who will attempt to convince the voting public that staying in the EU is the preferred option.

Another charade among many. However, if a deal isn't done today, then it is only because the PTB didn't ultimately want a June referendum. The fact of the matter is that Cameron WILL get a deal he heartily recommends to the British people before the referendum is held. There are no ifs, buts or maybes here. It is set in stone and will happen as surely as night follows day. It really cracks me up watching the Main Stream Media pretend that Cameron might never get a deal he deems worthy of recommending to the British people. Just why? Numnuts wept..[/i

By trying to make it look like he's eked out a last minute deal he will in effect be polishing the turd.

We’re planning on moving to Portugal.

Do you speak the lingo? Could be hard times ahead for that country.

We're learning the basics, we hope to pick it up better when we get out there.



Why, because I'm moving there?

We originally planned to move to Greece & look how that's turned out .

Our Expat pensioners in Spain cannot be compared with economic immigrants. That you cannot see they are polar opposites explains your narrow and unenlightened viewpoint. Pensioners that have moved to Spain are financially independent and give the local and national economy a big boost as they buy properties, furniture, food and they pay local taxes. They are appreciated by their local communities as they spend their pension income each month which helps the local business overcome the negative effects of being in the Euro. So far from wanting to kick them out they will fight hard to retain them.

Whereas the low paid EU workers that are keeping down wages in the UK have these same low paid incomes topped up with UK taxpayer money. Can you now spot the difference?

You could always have gone and worked in Europe long before the EU. This is not some advantage that has only arisen since the EU was formed.

You negative idea of Brits requiring visas would bring about a huge drop in the economies of those countries as we would spend our holiday money elsewhere.

Schrodinger's Daily Mail puzzle :

"Immigrants - coming here to claim our benefits whilst also stealing our jobs ..."

Since the Referendum has now been set, should voting be restricted to those within the 36% turnout from the last MEP elections - since I assume the other 64% didn't really care either way ?

More to the point will the several million migrant workers from other EU member states be allowed to vote? If so makes a mockery of the sovereignty angle.

Guess you get your news from the Mail or is it the Telegraph ?

One could argue that OAPs and ex-pats who live abroad, avoiding UK tax, that then return when they need medical care also a burden to the tax payer as well as immigrants.

Numerous sources, principally The Times and BBC but I read and listen widely.