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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
I also made the point that I reckon the phenomenon began when relatively portable camcorders became available, and indisputably the people spoiling their holidays in that case were predominantly middle-aged dads, not their kids, who were usually embarrassed by any recording.'"


Guilty as charged.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "I can understand why dads started doing this - they had just learned that they could do it, and aimed to create a permanent record of the holiday, but two pennies had not yet dropped

Yep, you've seen all of those vids of mine haven't you, well that will make two of us because no-one else is in the slightest bit interested.

My £1000 (in the late 1990s) Sony video camera still sits in its expensive case with its sorry collection of tapes gathering dust at the back of the wardrobe, its seen about 20 hours of use and one day will appear in a museum "as new" - passing fad that passed as quick as it arrived in the days when I had more money than sense.

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I don't see much relevance in the age aspect. In my experience people of a wide span of ages are hypnotised by the need to record events rather than take part in them.

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Quote: Standee "These people make millions by "being seen", it isn't their choice as to what the audience do, IMHO.

If the don't like it, stop performing.'"


In the fifties a whole bunch of music hall performers couldn't make the transition to TV because they only had one act, and it stayed fresh for their audiences because they were always on the road moving from town to town. It could be a couple of years before they swung by the same town again. But on TV once it's been on Opportunity Knocks everyone's seen it and your career is over.

Now say you're a comedian. You spent months writing your act. It's not your first one, you've done this often before and will do it many times again, but it takes time to produce and get it how you want it. You're now touring it. You've done one date. Your entire act is now online.

Which is fine if you're Kate Bush on a greatest hits tour, but...

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I actually avoid going on nights out with certain friends because they spend most of their time chatting to people on their phones rather than conversating with the people they have gone out with.

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At one of the most recent gigs I was at there was a girl filming bits of it on her iPad. I could have happily smashed it over her head.

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Quote: King Street Cat "At one of the most recent gigs I was at there was a girl filming bits of it on her iPad. I could have happily smashed it over her head.'"

why?

because you don't have an IPad?

she has paid to be there, I get annoyed by old people shuffling around supermarkets, but I don't push them out of the way

THE WORLD CHANGES, either get on, or stop participating.

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Quote: Standee "...

she has paid to be there, '"


... and yet, she's not there, she's a bystander, recording it instead of experiencing it, without realising.

Quote: Standee "... I get annoyed by old people shuffling around supermarkets, ...'"


Now that doesn't surprise me one little bit. How very dare "old people" with some mobility restriction even momentarily inconvenience such a superior human. It is indeed very benevolent of you to deign not to push them aside, in spite of their total lack of consideration in continuing to exist despite having got slow and old, but then pushing them could be dangerous as it could knock you off your high horse.

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Quote: Standee "why?

because you don't have an IPad?

she has paid to be there'"


Paid to be there but still insisted on half heartedly watching the gig while half heartedly filming a multiple number of random half minute clips while waving a screen in the air.

I have a smart phone but chose to keep it in my pocket to enjoy the gig as it happened.

I could have pi$$ed up her back if I'd wanted to, as you say, I paid to be there.

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Quote: Standee "why?

because you don't have an IPad?

she has paid to be there, I get annoyed by old people shuffling around supermarkets, but I don't push them out of the way

THE WORLD CHANGES, either get on, or stop participating.'"

That's a particularly stupid view. It assumes that all change is positive. Smoking became widespread among the population. Your view point would be don't challenge that as it's just how the world is.

For me, it's all about how things affect other people around you. If you want to film a gig/concert etc whatever that's up to you. I don't see the attraction to it to be honest, bar a short clip or a couple of pictures as memories of the event, but if you want to that's up to you. However whatever you do should have in mind other people. Does your filming of the event affect them?
If you're stood directly behind someone holding an IPad or even just a phone above their head the whole time it can be off-putting and affect your enjoyment of the event, not just the physical object in your sight line but they're usually lit in someway whilst recording too.

For me, recording an event in that manner shows a selfishness and lack of respect for other people around you who've also paid the same as you to watch the same event.

Also, when the artist, in this case, hasn't banned and strictly enforced a policy but has just politely asked people to do something that's so minor as to be unremarkable, it would seem to only be polite to comply.

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Quote: Him "Also, when the artist, in this case, hasn't banned and strictly enforced a policy but has just politely asked people to do something that's so minor as to be unremarkable, it would seem to only be polite to comply.'"


I think if Kate Bush had performed in a couple of her shows and there was an issue with people overdoing it with cameras and phones, to the detriment of the viewing audience, then I would wholeheartedly back Bush in her request.

However, this is Bush's first concert in nearly 30 years, so she has no idea whether there would have been a problem anyway.

The request from Bush was very polite. But the fact St Kate has made this request means that the venue security and her most devoted fans will treat someone getting out their camera for a couple of snaps as close to a capital offence.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "What has any arbitrary age got to do with the topic of immersing yourself in an experience as opposed to acting as a cameraperson? If the person holding their phone aloft is 15 or 150 the point remains just the same, but I do wonder whether the younger generation simply feel obliged to record, cos everyone does, and don't quite get what they are missing out on.

I also made the point that I reckon the phenomenon began when relatively portable camcorders became available, and indisputably the people spoiling their holidays in that case were predominantly middle-aged dads, not their kids, who were usually embarrassed by any recording.

I can understand why dads started doing this - they had just learned that they could do it, and aimed to create a permanent record of the holiday, but two pennies had not yet dropped

The early users of camcorders that I knew weren't recording events, they were recording their kid(s) at events. Kid(s) first birthday party, kid(s) on holiday, kid(s) first day at school etc. The dads didn't need to be participating anymore than when they were taking photographs of their kid(s).

Must admit I tried to do it when the Bulls were performing their lap of honour after the 2005 GF. The recording was crap so never felt tempted to repeat it, not that the Bulls have given me the opportunity.

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This has brought back the memory of videoing the final match at the Boulevard. I didn't bother with recording any of the game, just the post-match celebrations/commiserations. Whilst filming my mate and his daughter, some jobsworth comes along and tells me "you shouldn't be doing that". My reply was, "so ban me from the ground, see if I care". All this came over on the audio and according to my mate, the geezer just shrugged his shoulders and walked off

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Quote: The Guardian "Bush's desire for her 22-night residency to be without the sea of phones, cameras and tablets to ensure she could have "contact" with her audience was also strictly adhered to, with a pre-show announcement requesting everyone turn off their mobiles and security guards patrolling throughout the performance.'"


Polite request my ar5e.

Of course having security patrol the theatre all those times never created a separation between Bush and her fans at all.

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However grouchy LGJM gets, the end result seems on most accounts to have been a spectacularly good eveningAccompanied by music ranging from polyphonic choral harmonies to folksy minstrels, it’s quite stunning, undoubtedly the most ambitious, and genuinely moving, piece of theatrical pop ever seen on a British stage.'"


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New York TimesThe audience, still as stones during the music, stood to cheer whenever tiny between-song intervals allowed. After the full-band final encore, “Cloudbusting,” it would not leave until the tech crew arrived to dismantle the stage. “Thank you so much for such a wonderful, warm and positive response,” Ms. Bush said, with remarkable composure. '"

Sounds like they went to enormous lengths to immerse the audience in a total experience, and it was unspoiled by a thousand flashing iPhones. Well done Kate, whingers and cynics eat your hearts out icon_smile.gif

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FA - As I've said, this has never been an issue at ANY concert I've ever been to. The nearest thing to an issue I've seen is the argument between security and a woman because she made a call to a friend and was holding the phone up to give the other person a listen. I couldn't GAF about the woman's phone call, but the argument with security was very off-putting. And no, I wasn't immersed in the concert anyway because I was only there for my wife.

So just out of interest how many concerts have you been to that were spoiled by iPhone and iPad wielders?

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15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
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Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
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v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
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v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
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v
Salford
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Hull KR
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St.Helens
20:00
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Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
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SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
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20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
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