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Quote: TrinityIHC "I find it unacceptable that they are trying to make it so you can't watch quality TV like GOT without giving £600 a year to Rupert Murdoch. I dont mind paying for what I consume, but I won't have my pants pulled down by Sky.'"


I don't like Aston Martin pulling my pants down for their overpriced motors either - Will that make me nicking one of their cars acceptable?

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "I don't like Aston Martin pulling my pants down for their overpriced motors either - Will that make me nicking one of their cars acceptable?'"


If there was one parked on your drive 24/7, that you could drive for free at any time you wanted, would you just leave it there and go and buy a new one?

Sky haven't produced that content, they have paid to show it on their service and make great sums of profit.

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "I don't like Aston Martin pulling my pants down for their overpriced motors either - Will that make me nicking one of their cars acceptable?'"


Just buy a Jaguar and replace the badges with Aston Martin badges.

There's a huge difference between infringement of copyright and theft, but keep on insisting they are the same.

Just why does it bother you so much?

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Quote: TrinityIHC "I find it unacceptable that they are trying to make it so you can't watch quality TV like GOT without giving £600 a year to Rupert Murdoch. I dont mind paying for what I consume, but I won't have my pants pulled down by Sky.'"


You don't have to pay £600 a year if GoT is your bag - have a look at a NOW! TV box with the entertainment package, £25 or thereabouts will get you three months access to Sky Atlantic - its a Sky product so you're still shelling out to Uncle Rupert but you haven't signed away your firstborn to get it.

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...and if you're lucky (like us) then something will go wrong in your first week of access and they'll cut you off accidentally at a time when you never even realised they'd cut you off and they'll email you to say they are giving you an extra month for free by way of an apology.

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Just why does it bother you so much?'"


It doesn't bother me, I'm just curious why some people believe access to art, whether it be music, tv, film, whatever, should be an entitlement they should get for free?

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "So Sky are the villains for depriving those who can't afford their product?..... Does this make trawling the internet for what, I presume, is an illegal stream acceptable?'"


Oh I can more than afford Sky's prices, sadly they deny access to some of their content if you have a different supplier.
They want to keep the content exclusive to their system and ignore those on Virginmedia who are more than willing to pay for the channel.

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If you are willing to pay the prices, why don't you switch to Sky then and have the chance to view said channels and programmes?

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Quote: Mike Oxlong "If you are willing to pay the prices, why don't you switch to Sky then and have the chance to view said channels and programmes?'"


I can understand people being anti-piracy from the angle that musicians, actors and writers should earn money for their work.

Don't really understand why anyone would be anti-piracy when TV networks are just playing annoying money games. When TV execs play that stupid game customers shouldn't be bending over backwards to make sure they get paid, they should just say "Screw you" to the TV companies and just download without any guilt.

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Sky will be paying a fortune to the US TV networks in order to get certain programmes to be exclusive to their network - so why should they have to let other providers show it?

Will you be doing the same with Champions League football, when it moves to BT and not on Sky Sports, cos you won't pay the extra to BT to carry their channel? They've paid a hell of a lot of money for exclusivity but because you are too tight to pay to have it, you will happily download or stream illegally?

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The success of services like Netflix and iTunes are evidence that if you make the content easily accessible, people will willingly pay to access it.

On the subject of GoT, one of the reasons that is one of the most pirated series is because, as BG says, it is almost impossible to access legally without a Sky or HBO subscription. If it could be accessed on Netflix, LoveFilm, iTunes, HuLu or any other on demand platform, piracy rates would be lower.

The other issue, IMO, is the delay in worldwide broadcasts. We all know that the US gets shows 3-6 months before we do, but why? In a world of social media, its pretty hard to avoid spoilers before you get to watch whatever episode people were talking about 3 months ago.

And has piracy really harmed the success of GoT? If anything, it has enhanced it.

I don't condone piracy, but this is yet another example of the media industry trying to fight the internet, rather than make use of it.

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Quote: Mike Oxlong "Will you be doing the same with Champions League football, when it moves to BT and not on Sky Sports, cos you won't pay the extra to BT to carry their channel? They've paid a hell of a lot of money for exclusivity but because you are too tight to pay to have it, you will happily download or stream illegally?'"


I will happily download or stream CL football next season so I don't have to listen to the wisdom of Andy Townsend or Michael Owen.

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Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "I can understand people being anti-piracy from the angle that musicians, actors and writers should earn money for their work.

Don't really understand why anyone would be anti-piracy when TV networks are just playing annoying money games. When TV execs play that stupid game customers shouldn't be bending over backwards to make sure they get paid, they should just say "Screw you" to the TV companies and just download without any guilt.'"

That's ridiculous. HBO have invested hundreds of millions in producing Game of Thrones ($50-60 million for series 1 alone). It's their product, they own it. This investment has to deliver a profit, and part of that is selling the product to overseas broadcasters. Sky, in turn, has paid a reported £150million for access to HBO's catalogue and are perfectly entitled to sell it to make their profit in turn.

What makes Game of Thrones any different to paying for other products that are the result of massive investment? Nothing. Or is it that you don't like your money going to 'big business', in which case I assume you don't buy cars, mobile phones, computers, flights, petrol, most food brands, etc, etc?

I find it sad people get so worked up about Sky Atlantic and series like GoT. It's a TV series, nothing more. if you're so desperate to watch it either pay up or download illegally and live with your conscience and the terrifying risk of a sternly worded letter from your ISP. I'm on Virgin and watched some of series 1 on Sky 1, never saw what was so amazing about it and certainly not bothered I can't see the rest yet.

Not that I'm precious about piracy - I watch the occasional film via a well known mobile app, either streamed directly to my TV or downloaded to hard drive. They're films I wouldn't pay to watch and if my ISP somehow manages to block it all I wouldn't be bothered. I'm not going to stamp my feet about watching a film or TV.

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Quote: Cronus "That's ridiculous. HBO have invested hundreds of millions in producing Game of Thrones ($50-60 million for series 1 alone). It's their product, they own it. This investment has to deliver a profit, and part of that is selling the product to overseas broadcasters. Sky, in turn, has paid a reported £150million for access to HBO's catalogue and are perfectly entitled to sell it to make their profit in turn.

What makes Game of Thrones any different to paying for other products that are the result of massive investment? Nothing. Or is it that you don't like your money going to 'big business', in which case I assume you don't buy cars, mobile phones, computers, flights, petrol, most food brands, etc, etc?

I find it sad people get so worked up about Sky Atlantic and series like GoT. It's a TV series, nothing more. if you're so desperate to watch it either pay up or download illegally and live with your conscience and the terrifying risk of a sternly worded letter from your ISP. I'm on Virgin and watched some of series 1 on Sky 1, never saw what was so amazing about it and certainly not bothered I can't see the rest yet.

Not that I'm precious about piracy - I watch the occasional film via a well known mobile app, either streamed directly to my TV or downloaded to hard drive. They're films I wouldn't pay to watch and if my ISP somehow manages to block it all I wouldn't be bothered. I'm not going to stamp my feet about watching a film or TV.'"


From my point of view, I am happy to pay for my TV, but I won't be made to pay through the nose for something I can easily watch for free - too much Yorkshire in me for that!

I pay £7 to netflix each month, even though I could turn up all of that for free but its reasonable and I like the ease of it and so I pay it.

Sky on the other hand insist that you pay a fortune for a steaming turd with a few gold nuggets in it. I would rather just access the nuggets and leave sky to flog the rest to some other sap.

EDIT: as for GoT, it's just a really well made, well acted and interesting programme, I watch very little TV but I look forward to this coming on, same with house of cards which was also excellent.

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Quote: Mike Oxlong "If you are willing to pay the prices, why don't you switch to Sky then and have the chance to view said channels and programmes?'"


Some can't have Sky no matter what. We can only have a very basic range of products due to having a communal system in the block and we are not allowed other dishes.

Quote: Mike Oxlong "Will you be doing the same with Champions League football, when it moves to BT and not on Sky Sports, cos you won't pay the extra to BT to carry their channel? They've paid a hell of a lot of money for exclusivity but because you are too tight to pay to have it, you will happily download or stream illegally?'"


No need, BT have some sense and have made the service available to Virginmedia users, I can have it in full HD right on my TV without any dodgyness at all.

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 Sun 13th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R6
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Catalans
 Thu 17th Apr 2025
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20:00
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Castleford
 Fri 18th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
20:00
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Hull KR
20:00
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20:00
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Huddersfield
 Sat 19th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
20:00
Catalans
v
Salford
 Thu 24th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
17:30
Catalans
v
Wakefield
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
15:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
17:15
Hull KR
v
Salford
19:30
St.Helens
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
13:00
Huddersfield
v
Hull FC
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
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v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
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Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
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Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
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SL
20:00
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17:30
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17:30
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SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
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20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
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St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
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