Surely politics concerns citizens (ie people)? Religion is also about people and Christianity, inter alia, arguably about decency and treating fellow citizens as one would to be treated as one would like to be treated oneself? I therefore believe that the Christian clergy should "interfere in politics" indeed I would suggest they would not be acting responsibly and in a Christian way if they didn't stand up for the poor and dispossesed. They should do so more vociferously in my opinion.

One could argue that, given that the Semitic peoples are not just those descended from the Hebrew tribes, but also include those we know as the Palestinians, some are.

Hitler did not hold religious views. He despised Christianity as a Jewish faith and was a believer in astrology and to some extent witchcraft - neither of which are religious beliefs.

German anti-semitism was not based on Jews as Christ killers. It was based on race, not faith, stemming from fashionable scientific theories of social darwinism, eugenics and racial classifications. The Jews were not sent to the gas chambers because they killed Christ, they were sent because they were believed to be racially inferior and therefore a burden on and a threat to the progress of the supposed aryan master race.

I think you'll find that witchcraft has long been referred to as 'The Old Religion'.

As accurate as ever Titan?

Time you changed that to 'Nonentity'.

Witchcraft does not demonstrate a coherent belief structure, encompassing socio-political matters for the individual and society, ed around a supernatural entity. It is just mumbo jumbo nonsense for the deranged and stupid.

Unlike, say, Scientology, Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses etc.

All religion is just hokum and delusion. All of it. 100%. I am increasingly baffled how otherwise seemingly intelligent people do not see it for the mumbo jumbo nonsense it all so patently is.

You can say that because you have been brought up in a country heavily influenced by religion. You have no conception of what an irreligious society would be like. You could try North Korea - that may give you an insight.

You make it too easy.

rlHitler the Christianrl. rlHitler's religious viewsrl. His 'rupture' with traditional, institutional Christianity is only considered to have been in about 1937, but he continued to detest atheism.



And part of the age-old basis for the hatred of Jewish people is the idea of the 'Christ killers' (which, of course, is utter sphericals, not just because Jesus himself was also a Jew, but also because, without the crucifixion, Christianity would not exist and there would be no salvation etc).

There were other aspects to the rise of anti-semitism in Germany at the time – one being a belief that it had been wealthy Jews/Zionists who had persuaded the US to enter WWI, thus changing the course of that conflict. But for many Germans within the churches etc, the traditional idea of Jewish people was an element of what allowed a belief in the legitimacy of anti-semitism.

Do you and Titan still support the idea of religion for the plebs – but not yourselves, of course?

Bull .

Edit - Just seen Mintballs reply. I think she covers it!

I'm glad people are finally waking up to the fact that they have been lied to from the start. I also commend you Standee for saying what you see, it would have been so easy for you as a Tory to stick your hands over your ears chanting la, la la and denying there was anything wrong and telling us so in the Sin Bin. I knew it was all a pack of lies nearly 4 years ago when Maria Miller preached how they were going to weadle out DLA fraudsters in the PIP shuffle then let it slip it was really to get 20% off DLA, any 20% of people, fraud or genuine even when charities and organisations were professionally telling them how not to do it but they charged through it anyway without listening to the very people and organisations it would affect.

The benefits system is in total disarray. Mrs D has just managed to get them to sort out Ms D's from March 2012. If we hadn' t support her how could she have lived these last 2 years or so? As a disabled person who could not possibly understand the system how could she have even claimed? Is this what looking after the "most vulnerable" looks like?

My local jobcentre have, in their infinite wisdom, sent me back to college Tues and Wed, 10am until 4pm, for the next month. (I'm 4icon_cool.gif
Benefit will be sanctioned (withdrawn) if I fail to attend.
On Wednesday I had to build a free standing tower using only four sheets of A4 paper, sellotape, and a stapler.

I am still in the process of shaking my head!

I retired to Whalebone on Wincolmlee to think about it during my hour dinner break.

I you not!