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Which all goes to show how much we rely on energy and how they have us by the spheroids.

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Quote: Stand-Offish "Which all goes to show how much we rely on energy and how they have us by the spheroids.'"



in reality, the average energy bill isnt that expensive when you consider what you actually get for it, and what you would have to give up if you didnt have gas/electric.

At about £1,500 a year for the average bill, (say between 2 people in a house) that works out at about £2 per person per day for power, warmth and entertainment.

Affordable 'pay as you go' energy, time of use tariffs, demand reduction technology (i.e. that automatically turn your freezer off for an hour at peak times), are the way forward, all of which should be a reality once every home has a smart meter installed in the next few years. Then you will actually pay for what you use, and get rewarded for not consuming energy at times of peak demand.

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Quote: EHW "in reality, the average energy bill isnt that expensive when you consider what you actually get for it, and what you would have to give up if you didnt have gas/electric.

At about £1,500 a year for the average bill, (say between 2 people in a house) that works out at about £2 per person per day for power, warmth and entertainment.

Affordable 'pay as you go' energy, time of use tariffs, demand reduction technology (i.e. that automatically turn your freezer off for an hour at peak times), are the way forward, all of which should be a reality once every home has a smart meter installed in the next few years. Then you will actually pay for what you use, and get rewarded for not consuming energy at times of peak demand.'"

Thank you for putting it into perspective, but a steep and remorseless increase is still just that.
Call me cynical, but I suspect the more we try to cut down the more the price will rise to maintain profits.

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Quote: EHW "in reality, the average energy bill isnt that expensive when you consider what you actually get for it, and what you would have to give up if you didnt have gas/electric.

At about £1,500 a year for the average bill, (say between 2 people in a house) that works out at about £2 per person per day for power, warmth and entertainment.

Affordable 'pay as you go' energy, time of use tariffs, demand reduction technology (i.e. that automatically turn your freezer off for an hour at peak times), are the way forward, all of which should be a reality once every home has a smart meter installed in the next few years. Then you will actually pay for what you use, and get rewarded for not consuming energy at times of peak demand.'"


Because the use of metering for poor people hasn't resulted in them paying more, has it?

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Quote: Stand-Offish "Call me cynical, but I suspect the more we try to cut down the more the price will rise to maintain profits.'"

icon_thumb.gif , Likewise the money spent by the energy companies to insulate homes, and therefore use less energy.
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Quote: Mintball "Because the use of metering for poor people hasn't resulted in them paying more, has it?'"


pre-payment metering in its current form is inherently unfair, and results in higher charges for people who have to (or choose to) pay in advance, but this is mainly down the outdated software systems that these types of meters run off, and subsequently a higher cost to serve these customers.

When smart meters are in place, and it is possible to have 'live' charging for consumption, and the suppliers start to implement new systems, I see "pay as you go energy" becoming much more competitive, widespread and socially acceptable than it is now.

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Quote: EHW "... When smart meters are in place, and it is possible to have 'live' charging for consumption, and the suppliers start to implement new systems, I see "pay as you go energy" becoming much more competitive, widespread and socially acceptable than it is now.'"


What makes you think that some technology, used more widely, will change the behaviour of the major energy suppliers?

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Quote: EHW "pre-payment metering in its current form is inherently unfair, and results in higher charges for people who have to (or choose to) pay in advance, but this is mainly down the outdated software systems that these types of meters run off, and subsequently a higher cost to serve these customers.

When smart meters are in place, and it is possible to have 'live' charging for consumption, and the suppliers start to implement new systems, I see "pay as you go energy" becoming much more competitive, widespread and socially acceptable than it is now.'"


It is possible that it may happen.

Unfortunately there is a similar precedent with water meters which have been available for a couple of decades at least now and are always fitted on new housing but the retrofit onto the vast majority of housing stock being at the choice of the homeowner.

Obviously only the homes which will benefit from a meter (ie no children, out at work all day, etc) ever voluntarily ask for a water meter whilst the heaviest users stick to the clumsy water rates method.

If a smart meter allowed me to choose pay-as-you-go electricity then I would only be interested if it saved me money, sounds obvious, but its more obvious that someone somewhere has to pay more for the service to work.

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Quote: JerryChicken "Yeah but they're really, truly sorry.

Makes you wonder how Milliband is going to make his price freeze stick, not that he'll get a chance to put the brave words into practice mind...'"


I am not sure Ed Milliband should step into this row. 5% of energy costs are due to the VAT that is required by his beloved European Union - an organisation which the Little Europeaner won't allow the British public to have a say on whether our nation remains inside of this isolationist, backward, economically disastrous political union - whilst approximately £112 (will rise to £300 by 2020) of our bills each year are as a result of the green taxes that he implemented whilst in Government.

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Quote: David Titan "I am not sure Ed Milliband should step into this row. 5% of energy costs are due to the VAT that is required by his beloved European Union - an organisation which the Little Europeaner won't allow the British public to have a say on whether our nation remains inside of this isolationist, backward, economically disastrous political union - whilst approximately £112 (will rise to £300 by 2020) of our bills each year are as a result of the green taxes that he implemented whilst in Government.'"


You've been reading the Daily Mail! Which idiotic party took us into the "Common Market"? Which idiotic PM signed up to Maastrict (while pretending to be tough on Europe), which party does our imbecilic, overgrown schoolboy of a PM belong to?

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Quote: Dally "You've been reading the Daily Mail! Which idiotic party took us into the "Common Market"? Which idiotic PM signed up to Maastrict (while pretending to be tough on Europe), which party does our imbecilic, overgrown schoolboy of a PM belong to?'"


No. Actually I have been reading the Telegraph. Historically both parties have been as bad as each other. At least now though one party is willing to give the British people a say over whether they wish to remain part of the EU.

Regarding David Cameron personally, although I have many ideological differences with him it is completely unfair to refer to him as an overgrown schoolboy. Under this Liberal Conservative coalition government this country is a better place now than it was in 2010 - crime is down, immigration is down, the economy is growing, taxes are down, investment in infrastructure is up, the number of speed cameras is down, the deficit is smaller, job creation is up, education standards are improving for the first time in 40 years - and for me personally I am able to better reap the benefits of the fruits of my labour.

The test of a good government is whether it leaves office with the country in a better shape than when it entered into office. The Attlee government, the subsequent Tory governments in the 50s/early 60s, the Thatcher government and this Coalition government (assuming it breaks up in 2015) have all achieved it. Credit should be given to Clegg and Cameron - they have proven far more capable in leading this country than Major, Blair or Brown.

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Quote: David Titan "... crime is down, immigration is down, the economy is growing, taxes are down,...

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That may be so on your planet, but you should try ours.

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Quote: David Titan "No. Actually I have been reading the Telegraph. Historically both parties have been as bad as each other. At least now though one party is willing to give the British people a say over whether they wish to remain part of the EU.

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Call me cynical, or call me a realist, but I think I'll have drawn my last breath looooong before this fabled referendum ever sees the light of day and even if it does and if the vote is a resounding "get out" then nothing will be done other than a feeble attempt to renegotiate terms of staying in.

Its a vote catcher to claw back attention from UKIP and appease the male readers of the Daily Fail while their wives look at thin naked women with highlighted cellulose on the sidebar, which one are you ?

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Quote: David Titan "I am not sure Ed Milliband should step into this row. 5% of energy costs are due to the VAT that is required by his beloved European Union - an organisation which the Little Europeaner won't allow the British public to have a say on whether our nation remains inside of this isolationist, backward, economically disastrous political union - whilst approximately £112 (will rise to £300 by 2020) of our bills each year are as a result of the green taxes that he implemented whilst in Government.'"


No conservative should step into the argument.

VAT on domestic fuel was introduced by Norman Lamont in 1994 (after pledging that the scope of VAT would not be widened). He introduced a rate of 8% and intended to increase it to the full rate of 17.5% the following year but lost the vote in parliament. One of the first things Gordon Brown did was reduce the rate to 5%.

I believe once VAT is applied to a good or service, it can no longer be zero-rated and also that the minimum VAT rate allowed in the EU is 5%.

You really do need to brush up on your political history young Titan

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Quote: David Titan "... At least now though one party is willing to give the British people a say over whether they wish to remain part of the EU...'"

Now?
We had a referendum about whether to remain in the EEC, under Harold Wilson (Labour) in 1975.

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     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
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Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
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SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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