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Quote: cod'ead "I lobbed a grenade onto the Hull FC board with rlThis threadrl

No matter how loyally I may support the club, I cannot accept any company not paying staff in the name of providing experience through an "internship"'"


Yet you "lobbed your grenade" on the assumption that they aren't paying the intern when you have no idea that this is the case

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Quote: HullFC50 "Yet you "lobbed your grenade" on the assumption that they aren't paying the intern when you have no idea that this is the case'"


If they were ofering to pay, they could have found a way to include "paid" in the 140 characters

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Could the situation in the OP have happened in say Labour Britain 2009?

Or have there been changes in employment law that the Tories brought in that have led to it happening now.

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Quote: cod'ead "I lobbed a grenade onto the Hull FC board with rlThis threadrl

No matter how loyally I may support the club, I cannot accept any company not paying staff in the name of providing experience through an "internship"'"


There is more evidence of the effectiveness of the IDS Work & Pensions Department of Propaganda dong its usual fine job of convincing the emotionally illiterate that their taxes are being leached by the lazy, feckless and idle underclass, in those comments that your post received - even in Hull !!!

Comments like "Make them work for their benefits" get rolled out every time, "Its only fair, I have to work for them to sit on their s", then when you rightly point out that the vast majority of the Benefits budget is spent on paying Benefits to those who are currently IN work, you can hear the gasp of disbelief coming through the computer monitor.

I used to wonder how the Nazi Party convinced the German population to march off into the Rhineland in 1936 but watching and listening to those who have been successfully indoctrinated by the IDS Dept of Propaganda then I am no longer so surprised but indeed fearful that one day the IDS Dept of Propaganda will lead the believers off on an invasion of foreign lands of their own making.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Could the situation in the OP have happened in say Labour Britain 2009?

Or have there been changes in employment law that the Tories brought in that have led to it happening now.'"


This sounds more like the agency/umbrella company ripping the individual off than a Tory/Labour government. I worked for over 12 months through an umbrella company a few years back (wish I could do so again). And got none of the OP's stated issues. Yes the Umbrella co take a small admin fee, but shouldn't take anything for employers NI, if I remember correctly. He should be pulling in somewhere between 75-82% of his hourly rate as a final salary after deductions.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Could the situation in the OP have happened in say Labour Britain 2009?

Or have there been changes in employment law that the Tories brought in that have led to it happening now.'"


According to the Office for National statistics there were 116,000 people employed on 'Zero-hour' contracts in late 2008, so for the OP to claim they were 'brought in' under a coalition government is simply wrong. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your rant.

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Quote: Ajw71 "According to the Office for National statistics there were 116,000 people employed on 'Zero-hour' contracts in late 2008, so for the OP to claim they were 'brought in' under a coalition government is simply wrong. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your rant.'"

How many are there now? Because there are over 300,000 in the social care sector alone and most people and institutions are of the belief that they have increased sharply recently.

In specific circumstances they can be ok, it suited me to be on a zero hours contract when I was doing my A-Levels and could vary the amount of work around my school work. But I was fortunate to have a reasonable employer, and for most people in the vast majority of situations it's a pretty crap way of having to live.

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Frankly, he's going to be better off taking the £18p/h self employed option and having 20% knocked off under CIS, then getting a nice, reasonably priced accountant to do his tax return. I can recommend somewhere that does them for £150+ VAT
Very reasonable. Is that the dodgy handshake rate or the office rate?

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Quote: Ajw71 "According to the Office for National statistics there were 116,000 people employed on 'Zero-hour' contracts in late 2008, so for the OP to claim they were 'brought in' under a coalition government is simply wrong. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your rant.'"

I don't blame the guy for being annoyed though.
Especially as the use of this type of contract is rising fast and Cameron is, at the same time, making noises about "repatriating" powers from the EU, claiming that EU employment law makes for a workforce that is not "flexible" enough, noises that please his paymasters and also please the amoeboid rightwing little-Englander tendency at the UKIP end of his party who see any co-operation with our European neighbours as the end of swivel-eyes-ation as we know it.
Add to that the immunity from unfair dismissal complaints where someone is summarily sacked within the first two years of their employment, how flexible does he want it?

But, hey, let's pretend nothing has changed.

Tory-speak : "Flexible" means the employer is always right, such namby-pamby liberal ideas as employment rights, fairness, contract T's-and-C's, etc etc much be emasculated as much as possible.

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Quote: Ajw71 "... But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your rant.'"


But hey, don't let your apparent inability to think get in the way of you answering any questions directly, will you?

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Osborne has stated that there will be no tax rises if the Tories win the next election and that the procted large shortfall that commentaors have said would need plugging from tax will be met by further reductions in spending, with welfare being considered an area that could take a bigger hit.

I suspect Ed will now announce that Labour would match Tory pledges if elected.

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Quote: Dally "Osborne has stated that there will be no tax rises if the Tories win the next election and that the procted large shortfall that commentaors have said would need plugging from tax will be met by further reductions in spending, with welfare being considered an area that could take a bigger hit.

I suspect Ed will now announce that Labour would match Tory pledges if elected.'"


Welfare gets it in the neck again. Just how does that clown expect people to live ? Maybe he should consider stopping overseas aid instead ?

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Quote: Sam Buca II "Very reasonable. Is that the dodgy handshake rate or the office rate?'"


We have a subsidiary business that deals solely with construction industry subbies (their returns are pretty straightforward usually, even if the clents themselves aren't always!)

That's their going rate for a tax return.

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Quote: Dead Man Walking "Welfare gets it in the neck again. Just how does that clown expect people to live ? Maybe he should consider stopping overseas aid instead ?'"


Because the theory goes that everyone who is out of work is a malingerer and they are drawing billions in "unearned" income by sitting on their backsides doing nothing all day. The theory further states that the best way to get these people back to work is to starve them back to work, not in so many words, but basically the over-riding principle is that no-one should receive any money if they are not in work.

So far they seem to be carrying the general population with them thanks to a compliant (mainly printed) media doing all of the propaganda work on their behalf and probably at their bidding.

The fact that the unemployed figures contain people who are unable to work due to disability is also being re-written by the callous principle of simply sticking fingers in ears and repeating the mantra "You are fit to work regardless of what your medics say as they can't be trusted any more", the additional fact that the vast majority of benefits are paid to those IN work in order to bring them up to the "living wage" standard is simply brushed under the rug as you can't vilify those people in quite the same way if they are already doing what you recommend and proving that it still doesn't work.

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Quote: Dally "Osborne has stated that there will be no tax rises if the Tories win the next election and that the procted large shortfall that commentaors have said would need plugging from tax will be met by further reductions in spending, with welfare being considered an area that could take a bigger hit.

I suspect Ed will now announce that Labour would match Tory pledges if elected.'"


Osborne said he'd eliminate the deficit in one parliamentary term by cutting spending.
But he didn't, nowhere near.
Why believe more of the same?

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19:30
Warrington
v
Leeds
 Sun 18th Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R24
05:00
St.George
v
Gold Coast
07:05
Cronulla
v
Newcastle
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R22
13:30
Leigh
v
Salford
15:00
Catalans
v
Hull KR
       Championship 2024-R22
15:00
Bradford
v
Featherstone
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Barrow
15:00
Swinton
v
Halifax
15:00
Wakefield
v
Widnes
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Doncaster
       League One 2024-R20
15:00
Cornwall
v
Midlands
15:00
Hunslet
v
Crusaders
15:00
Keighley
v
Oldham
15:00
Newcastle
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R22
18:30
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
 Thu 22nd Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R25
10:50
Wests
v
Manly
 Fri 23rd Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R25
09:00
NZ Warriors
v
Canterbury
11:00
Brisbane
v
Parramatta
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R23
20:00
Castleford
v
Warrington
20:00
Leeds
v
Catalans
 Sat 24th Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R25
06:00
Canberra
v
Penrith
08:30
Melbourne
v
Dolphins
10:35
Souths
v
Newcastle
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R23
14:00
Salford
v
Huddersfield
15:00
St.Helens
v
Hull KR
       Championship 2024-R23
18:00
Featherstone
v
Toulouse
 Sun 25th Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R25
05:00
Gold Coast
v
Sydney
07:05
St.George
v
Cronulla
       League One 2024-R21
13:00
Oldham
v
Cornwall
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R23
15:00
LondonB
v
Leigh
15:00
Wigan
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2024-R23
15:00
Barrow
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Doncaster
v
Bradford
15:00
Halifax
v
Wakefield
15:00
Widnes
v
Sheffield
15:00
York
v
Batley
       League One 2024-R21
15:00
Keighley
v
Hunslet
15:00
Rochdale
v
Crusaders
15:00
Workington
v
Newcastle
 Thu 29th Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
10:50
NQL Cowboys
v
Melbourne
 Fri 30th Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
09:00
Canterbury
v
Manly
11:00
Penrith
v
Souths
       Championship 2024-R24
19:30
Bradford
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
20:00
Hull KR
v
Salford
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
 Sat 31st Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
06:00
Parramatta
v
St.George
08:30
Dolphins
v
Brisbane
10:35
Cronulla
v
NZ Warriors
       League One 2024-R22
14:00
Midlands
v
Hunslet
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
       Championship 2024-R24
17:00
Toulouse
v
Sheffield
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
20:00
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 1st Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
05:00
Newcastle
v
Gold Coast
07:05
Sydney
v
Canberra
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
12:00
LeedsW
v
York V
12:00
WiganW
v
Wire W
14:00
Hudds W
v
St.HelensW
       League One 2024-R22
14:30
Crusaders
v
Cornwall
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
15:00
LondonB
v
Leeds
       Championship 2024-R24
15:00
Batley
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
Halifax
15:00
Featherstone
v
Barrow
15:00
Swinton
v
Wakefield
15:00
Whitehaven
v
York
       League One 2024-R22
15:00
Oldham
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Keighley
 Thu 5th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
10:50
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v
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 Fri 6th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
09:00
Wests
v
Parramatta
11:00
Souths
v
Sydney
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
17:15
Wire W
v
St.HelensW
17:30
LeedsW
v
FeatherstoneW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
20:00
Castleford
v
Leigh
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Wigan
v
Hull KR
 Sat 7th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
06:00
St.George
v
Canberra
08:30
Canterbury
v
NQL Cowboys
10:35
Penrith
v
Gold Coast
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
BarrowW
v
Hudds W
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Barrow
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
18:00
Salford
v
Catalans
 Sun 8th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
05:00
Manly
v
Cronulla
07:05
Newcastle
v
Dolphins
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
WiganW
v
York V
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
15:00
Huddersfield
v
LondonB
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Halifax
v
Dewsbury
15:00
Sheffield
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Featherstone
15:00
Wakefield
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Widnes
v
York
 Fri 13th Sep 2024
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull KR
20:00
St.Helens
v
Castleford
20:00
Wigan
v
Leeds
 Sat 14th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
York V
14:00
St.HelensW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Hull FC
v
Salford
       Championship 2024-R26
15:00
Barrow
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Bradford
v
Batley
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Swinton
15:00
Doncaster
v
Widnes
15:00
Featherstone
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
York
17:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Catalans
v
LondonB
 Sun 15th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
12:00
WiganW
v
LeedsW
14:00
Hudds W
v
Wire W
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
 Fri 20th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
19:30
Sheffield
v
York
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull FC
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull KR
v
Leeds
20:00
Leigh
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
LondonB
20:00
Wigan
v
Salford
 Sat 21st Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
18:00
Featherstone
v
Dewsbury
18:00
Widnes
v
Toulouse
19:30
Wakefield
v
Barrow
 Sun 22nd Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
15:00
Batley
v
Swinton
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Doncaster
 Sat 28th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
 Sun 29th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Halifax
15:00
York
v
Featherstone
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
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Sat 3rd Aug
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15:00
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Sun 4th Aug
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Sat 17th Aug
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Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
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Fri 23rd Aug
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SL 20 Wigan26-14Huddersfield
NRL 22 Wests30-48NQL Cowboys
Sun 28th Jul
NRL 21 St.George10-46Penrith
NRL 21 Dolphins14-21Gold Coast
NRL 21 Canberra32-12Souths
CH 19 Batley16-22Halifax
CH 19 Doncaster37-30Barrow
CH 19 Sheffield78-24Whitehaven
CH 19 Wakefield46-18Featherstone
CH 19 Widnes25-6Bradford
CH 19 York34-4Swinton
L1 17 Newcastle34-44Cornwall
L1 17 Hunslet24-32Workington
L1 17 Keighley36-12Midlands
L1 17 Rochdale10-14Oldham
Sat 27th Jul
SL 19 Salford30-22Castleford
SL 19 Catalans24-16Hull FC
NRL 21 Brisbane16-41Canterbury
NRL 21 NQL Cowboys30-22Cronulla
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 19 495 258 237 30
Warrington 19 498 245 253 28
Hull KR 19 481 255 226 28
Catalans 19 366 274 92 24
Salford 19 355 366 -11 24
St.Helens 19 455 256 199 22
 
Leeds 19 355 342 13 20
Leigh 19 392 286 106 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 19 268 566 -298 6
LondonB 19 198 725 -527 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 17 584 206 378 32
Sheffield 17 488 283 205 24
Toulouse 16 468 220 248 23
Widnes 17 410 307 103 21
Bradford 17 397 297 100 21
Doncaster 17 318 410 -92 17
 
York 18 428 345 83 16
Featherstone 17 440 359 81 16
Batley 17 284 366 -82 16
Swinton 17 342 422 -80 12
Halifax 17 318 459 -141 12
Barrow 16 255 458 -203 12
Whitehaven 17 336 556 -220 12
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