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| So he should be thankful for the life that God gave him? Sitting in a chair doing f*ck all.
If God is so wonderful and mighty and loves the World then why are the people that suffer always the good, honest, hard working people when scruffy scrounging scrotes are allowed to live happy as Larry with handouts and benefits? Why do people like Michael Carroll win the Lottery whilst some people, even Christians and believers, continue to struggle and work every hour of every day?
Why does God sit there and watch countless people he so called loves suffer from horrible horrible ilnesses like cancer without providing a cure?
I'll tell you why, because he isn't f*cking real. There is no God. There is no heaven. There is no after life. When you or I or any other person on the planet dies we will either be burnt to a crisp or stuck in the ground to rot.
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| Anyway, back on topic.
I think he should be allowed to die, but I can understand the position of the Government. If they grant his family permission to die then where does it end and how do you confirm that you want to die? What is to stop me killing my parents and claiming it was their wish? There'd never be an end to it.
It must be horrible for his family to see him like that and know there's nothing they can do and I'd truly hate to be in that position.
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| Quote: cod'ead "The state is apparently quite content if he decides to starve himself to death'"
Again happy for him to be tortured. That is not a pleasant death (if there is such a thing).
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| Quote: Conroy "I think he should be allowed to die, but I can understand the position of the Government. If they grant his family permission to die then where does it end and how do you confirm that you want to die? What is to stop me killing my parents and claiming it was their wish? There'd never be an end to it.'"
Pretty simple really, put a number of safeguards in place to ensure it genuinely is the will of the patient.
Even the most severely disabled can usually communicate in some manner - even if it's just by moving their eyes. A number of tests carried out by doctors, psychiatrists, consultants, etc to determine the condition and will of the patient and ensure they aren't being coerced in any manner.
If the the right to die is to be permitted, it must be under strict control. I doubt there are thousands of families queuing up to bump off their loved ones but it's literally a matter of life or death.
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| I think kirkstaller gets off on this sort of thing with the responses he gets to his crackpot posts. He'd do quite well in the Bible belt of America.
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| On one thing we can all, even kirkstaller, agree, and that is that if there was a "god", then to do what he has done to this poor bloke, he would have to be the most unimaginable asshole, cruel and devoid of any human decency. What a wicked thing do, to leave a person like that.
If there was a god, and he could be prosecuted for doing this, then he would get a couple of decades at least for GBH and then a murder rap once the poor guy actually dies. It is comparable with knowingly giving someone AIDS via unprotected sex. Though of course "god" is cool with that too.
I don't see the problem. "Thin end of the wedge" critics completely overlook that the courts are well able, and indeed required, to make fundamental rulings on intent and capacity etc., in many spheres, and they should definitely be able to judge that this man is competent and rational to decide on his own fate. They overlook that it is he, and not (eg) relatives who seek the right for him to die.
If I was him, my next visit would be to court via disability discrimination. Anyone who is able bodied could end their own life, and the ruling blatantly discriminates against those who are too disabled to exercise this choice.
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| Quote: Cronus "If the the right to die is to be permitted, it must be under strict control. I doubt there are thousands of families queuing up to bump off their loved ones but it's literally a matter of life or death.'"
Well no
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "If I was him, my next visit would be to court via disability discrimination. Anyone who is able bodied could end their own life, and the ruling blatantly discriminates against those who are too disabled to exercise this choice.'"
wasn't that pretty much the basis of this case already?
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| Quote: Standee "wasn't that pretty much the basis of this case already?'"
I believe they did as a secondary line run an Article 8 case, but the main argument centred on what "treatment" doctors are allowed to administer and whether they can give you drugs other than for palliative purposes the main purpose of which is to end your life. But the point is, the case was in the High Court, not the ECHR. Maybe that's where he will head?
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| More utter nonsense from the Ray Comfort wanna be.
If you don't believe suicide is right don't kill yourself.
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| The OP has been strangely quiet has he not ? I wonder where he could be ?
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| Quote: JerryChicken "How do you reconcile your God's decision to give 99% of the population an ambulent sort of life, the sort of life that most of us enjoy, but to choose a few individuals to have a life that consists of you having a brain that works inside a shell that doesn't ?
What sort of humourless day was your God having when he decided to do that and for what purpose ?'"
God didn't give Tony Nicklinson his stroke.
Disease, strokes and other conditions only entered the world as a result of our rebellion against God.
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| Quote: GraftonRed "So it was your Gods choice to end this lads life, but us humans playing God, keeping him alive is OK?
Works both ways you know...
Oh, and "Who put the doctors in charge? Or the judge?", that'll be God again i suspect.'"
My point is that human beings should not decide who lives and who dies.
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| Quote: kirkstaller "God didn't give Tony Nicklinson his stroke.
Disease, strokes and other conditions only entered the world as a result of our rebellion against God.'"
But he controls the consequences of that rebellion. To follow your logic that would mean that Tony Nicklinson suffers as he does, and everyone else who suffers, and everyone who has ever suffered has done so as Gods punishment for our collective rebellion. Sadam Hussein wasnt even that cruel.
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| Quote: kirkstaller "God didn't give Tony Nicklinson his stroke.
Disease, strokes and other conditions only entered the world as a result of our rebellion against God.'"
Is that what they tell you ?
I shouldn't be surprised I suppose, there is only one way to control a superstitious population and that is by fear - it worked in the middle ages and it extracted every ounce of wealth out of the population on behalf of the churches (all of them), but for it to still work in this modern free-thinking ere, well, I take my hat off to them.
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