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Quote: Mintball "I love the idea that the Tories (rightly) opposed such ideas when in opposition – and have now done a complete about face, for no apparent new reason that has been declared.

Anyway, how about us all starting now by ccing every email you post to

TBF David Davis is agin it and he says he's a tory.
Quote: Mintball "I love the idea that the Tories (rightly) opposed such ideas when in opposition – and have now done a complete about face, for no apparent new reason that has been declared.

Anyway, how about us all starting now by ccing every email you post to

TBF David Davis is agin it and he says he's a tory.


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Quote: El Barbudo "TBF David Davis is agin it and he says he's a tory.'"


Last time I looked 95% + of Daily Telegraph readers were against it too.

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I'm on it too Minty, already posting it to Facebook....

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The older I get, the better I was Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator." cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg



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As ever, the only people who will lose out over this are people with something to hide.

I personally don't care if they have access to everything I do. If it saves one life, it's worth it IMO.

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The older I get, the better I was Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator." cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg



Quote: Saddened! "As ever, the only people who will lose out over this are people with something to hide.

I personally don't care if they have access to everything I do. If it saves one life, it's worth it IMO.'"


I'm sometimes pleased that my old man is no longer around. I dread to think what him and his mates would think of an imbecilic attitude like yours, after they'd spent 6 years fighting on three continents to oppose pervasive regimes. Then you come along and would happily sign away any hard-fought freedoms, in the name of the mythical war on terror.

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I wondered how long before someone would emerge with the cretinous old 'if you've nothing to hide' excuse for an argument.

But at least this was only a trolling use of it ...

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Quote: Saddened! "As ever, the only people who will lose out over this are people with something to hide.

I personally don't care if they have access to everything I do. If it saves one life, it's worth it IMO.'"


Cut out the middleman and just hand everything over to the local police, with a copy to GCHQ in Cheltenham and MI5 in London. Then you can relax and not worry about anything at all. Ever.

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Quote: Mintball "I wondered how long before someone would emerge with the cretinous old 'if you've nothing to hide' excuse for an argument.

But at least this was only a trolling use of it ...'"


Why is it cretinous just because you don't agree with it? You are very predictable when it comes to politics, basically adopting an anti-Government approach to just about everything.

These powers do not mean they will be snooping on the average person's Facebook account or reading their emails. All it means is that they could, should they need to. There is a difference there.

Why do you object to it? If it gives them more power to deal with potential serious criminality, what is the downside?

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Ignore Saddened. He's in one of his "I need to be noticed" moods.

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Quote: Saddened! "Why is it cretinous just because you don't agree with it? You are very predictable when it comes to politics, basically adopting an anti-Government approach to just about everything.

These powers do not mean they will be snooping on the average person's Facebook account or reading their emails. All it means is that they could, should they need to. There is a difference there.

Why do you object to it? If it gives them more power to deal with potential serious criminality, what is the downside?'"


Let's install cameras in every room of every house: that'll cut domestic violence, sexual abuse, rape and goodness knows what else.

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Quote: Saddened! "These powers do not mean they will be snooping on the average person's Facebook account or reading their emails. All it means is that they could, should they need to. There is a difference there. '"


There is already an established, legal procedure if they need to, that has been in existence for years, so why does it need altering? Scaremongering politics, I'm afraid

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Quote: Saddened! "As ever, the only people who will lose out over this are people with something to hide.

I personally don't care if they have access to everything I do. If it saves one life, it's worth it IMO.'"


Everyone has something to hide or something that could be used to incriminate them. If you have and express any political or religious view that then could be used to execute you under a future, authoritarian government. Your complacency is astonishing.

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Quote: cod'ead "I'm sometimes pleased that my old man is no longer around. I dread to think what him and his mates would think of an imbecilic attitude like yours, after they'd spent 6 years fighting on three continents to oppose pervasive regimes. Then you come along and would happily sign away any hard-fought freedoms, in the name of the mythical war on terror.'"

This is completely OT, but I saw this article this morning and thought fondly of you. 3.30615234375:5
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