Are you a gambler Mugwump?

I'm still trying to work out how terrorists would even possibly conceive to smuggle explosive making material into a tent, concoct their little bomb and then use it in an area where there are more than one or two Police officers. I'm sure if this was even a slightly likely scenario then there would be sniffer dogs at the very least, same as they have used on 'Occupy' camps for drugs.

That really has been post of the week for me

I agree that governments have an appalling record of sneaking in what turns out to be permanent legislation by the back door; also for using legislation for spurious purposes for which it was plainly never intended.

But there are in the case of the Olympics conflicting issues. The actual event itself is a forum for the world's ultimate athelets to compete, and a chance for lesser mortals to watch. That fundamentally is it. Most of these athletes devote their lives to excellence in their chosen event. If the athletes want to go and compete, and I, or anyone, wants to go and watch, why should I or they be impeded, or have the day ruined, by protesters who have no issue with the Olympics per se, no issue with me, and no issue with the athletes, but issues with government policy?

Of course, the reason such events are chosen is because of the media attention any disruption would attract. But the problem to me is that in some cases (depending on the nature, venue and likely course of a 'protest') it is dangerously close to becoming more akin to blackmail: "change your policies on X, otherwise we will ruin your Y".

The second issue is that the bigger the protest, the greater the likelihood of it, or parts of it, being commandeered by criminal elements, who take advantage of the stretching of police resources and the weight of numbers to engage in pure criminality.

I entirely support the democratic right to peaceful protest, but if a protest goes far beyond being a passive event, and is additionally an active event which does not only protest, but chooses a method an/or a place of protesting that goes further, and also seriously impinges on the rights of others to a very significant degree, should be susceptible to some form of control.

There cannot be a universal right to do whatever you want, wherever you want to do it, as long as you're carrying a protest banner.

You said "You can't see what goes on inside a tent" not "Tents in certain places, like Parliament Square, could be dangerous"

If we're talking Parliament Square, "You can't see what goes on inside Middlesex Guildhall and there's a risk - however small - that someone could be making a bomb inside "

FFS

That's pretty poor, now what's your real reason?


This is true.
Trafalgar Sqare used to slippy with pigeon shiittt everywhere, kids would be clarted-up with the stuff.
Banning the feeding of birds there was a simple public health issue and that byelaw has been in place for at least a decade.

Moving on ...

I see that one of the things that is banned is the making of any public speech or addressing a crowd (quite apart from the rules about amplification, which are separate).
That is worthy of opposition.
Trafalgar Square has been the historical venue for many a speech, some of which I agreed with and many of which I didn't.
I see this byelaw as a restriction of what should be anyone's right.

What will become of the guys at Speakers Corner?

Is Hyde Park covered by the legislation?

There is a wider issue than just Boris's byelawshttps://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-centre/speeches/Home-sec-olympic-speechrl

THEY'LL HAVE TO RAISE THEIR VOICES.

Steady on old chap, I haven't heard any athletes demanding any of these measures, indeed I'd guess that many/some won't like the measures any more than I do.

Calm down old bean, think of your blood pressure.

First, don't ask dumb questions. As I presume you know, the byelaws are the Trafalgar Square byelaws and the Parliament Square byelaws. Therefore they deal specifically with those sites and those sites only. Is that so strange?

Second, why would you, or anyone, wanting to disrupt Whitehall, need to travel "from those sites"? Indeed, if a protester was intending to target Whitehall, it would seem a bit dotty to not go, er, straight to Whitehall?


Hang on, you asked "Just which events are happening on Trafalgar Square and Parliament Square? '"

Actually, I quite like the idea of the Olympics taking place in central London, the throwing disciplines chucking stuff up The Mall towards Bettys House for instance, running lots of times around Trafalgar Square, swimming events in The Serpentine and just so they don't feel left out, The Marathon could be run inside a proper stadium for a change, White City dog track for instance.

Just think how much money we could have saved and how impressed Johnny Foreigner would be chucking javelins at the queen.

Bugger running the marathon over a set distance. It should be a "fagging-out" race like we used to have at school. They just run round and round 'til they drop, last one standing wins.

The javelin could be replaced with throwing traffic signs, swap the discus for a dustbin lid. In fact we could become world champs at reealio, eggetty-budge, pirates and British Bulldog

The beach volleyball will take place on Horseguards Parade.
I jest not.

Beach volleyball FFS !
Soft porn for the PM, I reckon.
Still, I s'pose it keeps him away from tinkering with stuff he knows nowt about.