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Quote: silver2 "If you read the Daily Mail, Telegraph etc it's easy to believe that the banking crisis of 2008 was caused by Labour. However, a little research on the internet tells a very different story.

9 years of austerity have been the result. Do you remember Cameron saying 'were all in this together'. Well, I'm sorry but you dont see many posh lads sleeping on the streets or going to food banks.'"

Most sensible people accept the crisis of 2007/8 was not down to Labour, but of course in a debate it makes good ammunition.

Question: do you think the Tories implemented austerity just because they wanted to? Just because they could? Because they're the 'nasty party'? As a right larf?

Austerity was always going to be a hugely damaging policy which would lose them votes and create an enormous amount of ill-feeling and political ammunition. So why would any party choose this path? Interesting to note that 2 general elections later they're still in government (note I didn't say 'in power').

So, why do you think they did it?

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Quote: Cronus "Most sensible people accept the crisis of 2007/8 was not down to Labour, but of course in a debate it makes good ammunition.

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It's an interesting question regarding austerity and whilst there is little doubt that the public purse needed tightening, whether the cuts were needed for as long and whether they needed to be as deep, is certainly a matter of opinion.
Certainly regarding law and order, there has been the sharpest of all changes of tack since Boris took the reigns, although he is prone to huge exaggeration and despite his "commitment", it's unlikely that we will see the increased numbers in anything like the timescale in which they have been promised and yet again, his words are designed to buy votes, rather than what will actually happen - he is gaining something of a reputation in his words massively exceeding his deeds.
It would be refreshing is just some of our politicians we a little more honest.
Mrs May insistant that the reduction in policing numbers had nothing to do with the increase in certain types of crime and yet, her successor, instantly promises to replace (and increase) the 18,000 lost police during the austerity period.
It would appear that the previous Prime Minister or the current version (or both) were wrong ?

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If austerity had been introduced by a socialist government I would've had more faith in the reasoning behind it. Likewise Brexit. If the Tory cabinet didnt contain so many privileged chancers and liars then I might, just might, believe it was a good idea.

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Quote: silver2 "If austerity had been introduced by a socialist government I would've had more faith in the reasoning behind it. Likewise Brexit. If the Tory cabinet didnt contain so many privileged chancers and liars then I might, just might, believe it was a good idea.'"


Did the working class people of the UK not vote for Brexit rather than the Tory cabinet icon_confused.gif icon_confused.gif

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Quote: ColD "Did the working class people of the UK not vote for Brexit rather than the Tory cabinet
Yes, the same people who are targetted by right wing rags such as the Sun, the Express and the Mail. If you're given the wrong "facts" the chances are you'll make the wrong decisions.

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Quote: silver2 "Yes, the same people who are targetted by right wing rags such as the Sun, the Express and the Mail. If you're given the wrong "facts" the chances are you'll make the wrong decisions.'"


Not that again - there were as many lies on the remain side as the leave side.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Not that again - there were as many lies on the remain side as the leave side.'"


So, the referendum should be made null and void?

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Quote: silver2 "If austerity had been introduced by a socialist government I would've had more faith in the reasoning behind it. Likewise Brexit. If the Tory cabinet didnt contain so many privileged chancers and liars then I might, just might, believe it was a good idea.'"


You live in very strange world - why do you think the Socialist care more about their constituents than the Tories - there are plenty of chancers in the Labour party - David Lammy has claim £1.3m in expenses in the last 7 years and he is not alone, a Labour MP earning £80k a year stood up in parliament and requested payment for child care for having to work on a Saturday. The labour party have a property company that hasn't paid CT for years etc. Unite a big sponsor of Labour have a final salary pension scheme in place for its hierarchy such as McClusky. They are all as bad as each other

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I wonder why Sal has chosen to single out David Lammy for his parliamentary office running costs (not "expenses claims"icon_wink.gif?

I wonder what it could be that makes him stand out from all the other MPs to be chosen for this little trope?

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "I wonder why Sal has chosen to single out David Lammy for his parliamentary office running costs (not "expenses claims"icon_wink.gif?

I wonder what it could be that makes him stand out from all the other MPs to be chosen for this little trope?'"


Has it made the headlines in one of his favourite newspapers ?

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Quote: Sal Paradise "They inherited a complete mess from Brown, Cooper, Balls etc what did you expect them to do?
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Thatcher was hurtling towards oblivion until the Argentinians got restless. After the Might of the empire swept that aside (it wasn't even deemed a war, but a simple "conflict" at the time), she pressed ahead with flogging off the family jewels and sacking disgruntled workers from various walks of life. This mess was picked up by Blair et al, who in true animal farm mode, had become what they hated........but there is a HUGE difference between thatcher and this current mob.
Thatcher, for all her despicable traits, believed that the things she did were in the interests of Britain, whilst the current shower of you have only their own interests at heart.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "I wonder why Sal has chosen to single out David Lammy for his parliamentary office running costs (not "expenses claims"icon_wink.gif?

I wonder what it could be that makes him stand out from all the other MPs to be chosen for this little trope?'"

No idea. Why don't you tell us.

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Quote: Cronus "No idea. Why don't you tell us.'"
I'm sure Sal will be along soon enough to tell us why he selected Lammy rather than the MPs with constituencies all around Lammy's who spent similar or more on paying the rent for and employing the staff who run their constituency offices.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "I'm sure Sal will be along soon enough to tell us why he selected Lammy rather than the MPs with constituencies all around Lammy's who spent similar or more on paying the rent for and employing the staff who run their constituency offices.'"



Go on, you're itching to. icon_smile.gif

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