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Quote: bren2k "Check his voting record - he's another entitled Eton boy, with no regard for the working classes; his affable posh twit routine is as sinister as that of Boris Johnson.'"


AS I said, I dont agree with his politics but at least he appeared to be talking sense, unlike his Labour counterpart and was happy to say that he was sufficiently well off not to need the 10% increase that MP's were given and so didnt take the "extra", whereas Burgon, despite claiming socialist values, clearly did take the "extra", knowing that it was fundamentally wrong.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "AS I said, I dont agree with his politics but at least he appeared to be talking sense, unlike his Labour counterpart and was happy to say that he was sufficiently well off not to need the 10% increase that MP's were given and so didnt take the "extra", whereas Burgon, despite claiming socialist values, clearly did take the "extra", knowing that it was fundamentally wrong.'"


But one of them voted to maintain the pay freeze on public sector workers - and guffawed and jeered when it went through; the other continues to campaign for it to be lifted. One of them lectured about the evils of debt and blamed it on Labour, despite representing the party which has tripled it in 7 years - then went on to say that it was perfectly ok to saddle students with 50k+ of debt; the other represents a party who would abolish student fees.

Hopefully, not everyone is as easily swayed as you by a meaningless soundbite or an amusingly anachronistic turn of phrase.

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Quote: bren2k "But one of them voted to maintain the pay freeze on public sector workers - and guffawed and jeered when it went through; the other continues to campaign for it to be lifted. One of them lectured about the evils of debt and blamed it on Labour, despite representing the party which has tripled it in 7 years - then went on to say that it was perfectly ok to saddle students with 50k+ of debt; the other represents a party who would abolish student fees.

Hopefully, not everyone is as easily swayed as you by a meaningless soundbite or an amusingly anachronistic turn of phrase.'"


I think that you are misunderstanding me.
As I said, I dont agree with his politics but he did appear to be speaking honestly.

Regardless of which side of the political spectrum our MP's reside, it would be a whole lot better if they tell people what they actually think and what their principles are, rather than saying one thing and then doing the opposite and this is the reason that I liked listening to the guy, particularly his comments on hard Brexit and soft Brexit. Again, I dont agree with him but, it made a change for someone to speak plainly as to why some of the "softer" Brexit options
are just not possible.

FWIW, I like Corbyn for the same reasons, in that he speaks plainly and has belief in his own ideals.
Again, I have major issues with his spending plans, as I dont believe that they are achievable with the slight changes to personal tax changes to the wealthiest members of society and his changes to CT are just wishful thinking.
There isn't a business in the country that will just accept the changes to CT, without changing the shape of their business, to reduce the burden of CT.

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Quote: bren2k ".Hopefully, not everyone is as easily swayed as you by a meaningless soundbite or an amusingly anachronistic turn of phrase.'"


icon_lol.gif a bit rich coming from Corbyn's fanboy

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Quote: PrinterThe "

To remove any traces of gravitas hidden within your meaningless one-liners, you have added a laughing face emoji; well done.

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The sooner this lady goes the better - she is now making a laughing stock out of herself.

The Tories will not put up with this for long - gone by the end of the summer

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The only way she can retain any dignity or credibility, and fend off some of her would be assassins, is to go on TV and say that Brexit was in fact a really stupid idea, and she's not supporting it any more; she's a dead woman walking anyway, so she should at least do one decent and honest thing before she's euthanised.

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Is her plea to other parties a genuine call for help or is she just lining up stooges to split the blame with should it all go wrong?

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Whatever it is it's pointless. She's holed under the waterline. Nobody will do business with her. She's just serving her notice.

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Quote: King Street Cat "Is her plea to other parties a genuine call for help or is she just lining up stooges to split the blame with should it all go wrong?'"

Trying to split Labour and make Corbyn be unequivocal.

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Quote: Bullseye "Whatever it is it's pointless. She's holed under the waterline. Nobody will do business with her. She's just serving her notice.'"


There doesn't seem to be a rush of dyed in the wool Tories coming to her defence anymore.
It's just a matter of timing now but, none of this is doing us any good, either domestically, within the EU or, on the wider international arena.
Despite the desperate rhetoric of certain politicians, Britain and in particular Mrs May, is becoming more isolated and insular than it has been in the last 100 years.

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A crude and amateur attempt to share the blame when the disaster that is Brexit unfolds further - if indeed it does.

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Most in Europe know they need to do a deal that doesn't disadvantage the UK to a point where they kill their own biggest export market.

The EU leaders don't take May seriously because they know by the autumn they will be negotiating with somebody else.

The other biggest issue for EU is money - who picks up the contributions we were making which is why they need a big pay off from us - something they are unlikely to get - so in that respect we have some negotiating strength if we can use it properly.

No deal is as bad for the EU as it is for the UK

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Whatever deal we get will be worse than what we currently enjoy. That's for certain.

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Quote: King Street Cat "Is her plea to other parties a genuine call for help or is she just lining up stooges to split the blame with should it all go wrong?'"


She tried to kill off all traces of opposition by calling a snap election. She is now desperately trying to spread the blame. Zero integrity.

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