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| I don’t think her offer to Corbyn is a trap, more of an act of desperation. If by some remote chance she can get any kind of concession from Corbyn a large section of the Tory party will vote against it. Which brings us back to the harsh fact that none of any proposed deal can win a majority vote. The deal breaker would be the EU last week making some concession on the Irish backstop. Obviously didn’t happen because they want us to remain in the EU.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "I don’t think her offer to Corbyn is a trap, more of an act of desperation. If by some remote chance she can get any kind of concession from Corbyn a large section of the Tory party will vote against it. Which brings us back to the harsh fact that none of any proposed deal can win a majority vote. The deal breaker would be the EU last week making some concession on the Irish backstop. Obviously didn’t happen because they want us to remain in the EU.'"
Our first negotiation point should have been "EU invoices are on hold until we get an acceptable deal"
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| Quote: MGarbutt1986 "Our first negotiation point should have been "EU invoices are on hold until we get an acceptable deal"'"
Yes, because nothing declares your intentions to the rest of the world markets as a reliable, honest trading partner, than reneging on legal obligations to your existing ones.
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| Quote: MGarbutt1986 "Our first negotiation point should have been "EU invoices are on hold until we get an acceptable deal"'"
You really should be a lawyer. You're wasted as a troll.
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| Quote: MGarbutt1986 "Our first negotiation point should have been "EU invoices are on hold until we get an acceptable deal"'"
Really!!
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I didn't ask whether the EU had negotiated a better deal than the UK I asked for an example of where the EU had used its size to negotiate a better deal than a smaller nation. The US is an example of where the EU falls down when negotiating trade deals. Do you honestly think the UK could not get the same/better deal in quicker time?'"
Sorry for not reading you post accurately.
As for the UK "out negotiating the EU", not a flippin' chance mate. Have you been asleep for the last 2+ years ?
They drew Mrs May into accepting the backstop, which has effectively prevented any agreement.
The EU work not as a free market, other than amongst it's members but, to "best" protect their own market.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Really!!'"
Yes, in my opinion.
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| Quote: tigertot "You really should be a lawyer. You're wasted as a troll.'"
I'm a troll because I don't agree with you?
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| Quote: MGarbutt1986 "I'm a troll because I don't agree with you?'"
No. It's because no-one can be a stupid as you purport to be.
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| Quote: tigertot "No. It's because no-one can be a stupid as you purport to be.'"
How am I stupid?
Insults again?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Sorry for not reading you post accurately.
You are talking about Mrs May who simply is incompetent - she is no representative of what is possible to negotiate. Once you agree the money up front, no deal next what have you left to bargain with?
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| So the McCarthyite Heaton-Harris resigns 18 months later than he should.
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| Quote: MGarbutt1986 "How am I stupid?
Insults again?'"
To be fair, I assumed it was TIC to provoke the lefties. Like that little run of posts when you pretended not to have access to an internet search engine.
The latest rumour is that if/when the May-Corbyn talks break down, she'll push for a preference vote with the options of revoke, JC's plan, her deal and no deal.
The set-up will provide fun for game theorists everywhere.
One round, single vote, winner-takes-all will drag MPs to the middle ground. Sequential elimination, probably similar eventually - and that's probably most sensible (least fun!). If they have an ordered preference vote, it actually matters whether it is 4, 3, 2, 1 or 3, 2, 1, 0 - for the relative value of first to second to third choice votes. For example 4, 3, 2, 1 potentially provides greater incentive to those in the middle to give their second vote to revoke or no deal, if they think it has little chance of winning, to give their first choice the best chance of beating what is their real second choice. However, if too many do it, there's the risk of them accidentally ending up with their third preference. Life is a bit simpler at the two edges, but by compromising and putting your second choice first, you can improve its chances and the expense of your least favoured options.
So much convoluted fun!
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| Is Mrs May's move to involve Corbyn a genuine move for reconciliation and to find some common ground or, a political master stroke ?
She has finally united her own party in indignation and this "could" just about get her deal over the line, albeit with a little bit of help form any staunch Brexitiers within the Labour party.
Although she is effectively "a dead man walking" and will be ousted just as soon as the withdrawal agreement is over the line, for the first time, I can see her getting this through.
Despite the positive words after her meeting with Corbyn, I dont expect her to change tack and going forward with Labours deal (with a customs union), would destroy the Conservatives completely.
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| This one ran well past the 100-page point but has recently gone dormant. Anyone wishing to start another Brexit thread, feel free to do so.
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