Did they imagine that, or were they explicitly told it by charlatans like David Davis, or disaster capitalists like Rees-Mogg, and believed it because, in true public schoolboy style, if you spew any old with sufficient confidence, long words and a plummy accent, the plebs will take it on good faith?

We've been had.

Quote tigertot="tigertot"Really? Capitalist greed caused the world's biggest financial disaster. The poor paid for it through austerity. The Tories got back in power. I am in no doubt that leaving with no deal would be disastrous, but you can be sure the MSM would not blame Brexit. It would be the EU - see Post's posts - the unions, greedy workers, immigrants, the Labour party, environmentalists, vegans.....anyone else.'" I'm sure you're right initially. I expect with the benefit of 50-100 years people will see the light. Right around the time Jacob Rees Mogg reckons it might be when we start to see whether it was worth it or not. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 86f48e3566 I'm very disappointed with the MSM. Their coverage of Brexit preparations has been woeful. There are lots of juicy stories too if they could drag themselves away from Westminster for a moment and do some digging. Fact is you can prepare your backside off for no deal but it would cost far more than the £5bn already put aside for it to do it anywhere near properly. At some point you have to ask if it's so expensive and time consuming why do it? It's like building another Titanic to be the lifeboat for the Titanic when we could just avoid the iceberg. I promise no more Titanic analogies now.

Quote tigertot="tigertot"Really? Capitalist greed caused the world's biggest financial disaster. The poor paid for it through austerity. The Tories got back in power. I am in no doubt that leaving with no deal would be disastrous, but you can be sure the MSM would not blame Brexit. It would be the EU - see Post's posts - the unions, greedy workers, immigrants, the Labour party, environmentalists, vegans.....anyone else.'" I'm sure you're right initially. I expect with the benefit of 50-100 years people will see the light. Right around the time Jacob Rees Mogg reckons it might be when we start to see whether it was worth it or not. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 86f48e3566 I'm very disappointed with the MSM. Their coverage of Brexit preparations has been woeful. There are lots of juicy stories too if they could drag themselves away from Westminster for a moment and do some digging. Fact is you can prepare your backside off for no deal but it would cost far more than the £5bn already put aside for it to do it anywhere near properly. At some point you have to ask if it's so expensive and time consuming why do it? It's like building another Titanic to be the lifeboat for the Titanic when we could just avoid the iceberg. I promise no more Titanic analogies now.

Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"I'm sure you're right initially. I expect with the benefit of 50-100 years people will see the light. Right around the time Jacob Rees Mogg reckons it might be when we start to see whether it was worth it or not. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 86f48e3566 I'm very disappointed with the MSM. Their coverage of Brexit preparations has been woeful. There are lots of juicy stories too if they could drag themselves away from Westminster for a moment and do some digging. Fact is you can prepare your backside off for no deal but it would cost far more than the £5bn already put aside for it to do it anywhere near properly. At some point you have to ask if it's so expensive and time consuming why do it? It's like building another Titanic to be the lifeboat for the Titanic when we could just avoid the iceberg. I promise no more Titanic analogies now.'" I agree that the coverage of the implications of Brexit have been woeful. However, there has been wild exaggeration about empty shelves etc. As with most supply and demand situations, most things can be overcome by throwing additional resources at any particular situation and on the basis that there will be suppliers wanting to maintain supplies and customers wanting those goods, although there will be some disruption, most things will find a new level pretty damn quickly and any opportunities that arise form and inability to supply, for whatever reason, will quickly be filled. My company has certainly increased stock from overseas to overcome the short term, although these goal posts do look to have moved (or being on the move) and the key will be in stock piling essential supplies, to overcome any short term issues. The media love a crisis and they always seem desperate to create one wherever possible. From Brexit to weather, climate change, immigration etc, etc - these are al real issues but, we dont get balanced reporting on so many stories.

Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"I'm sure you're right initially. I expect with the benefit of 50-100 years people will see the light. Right around the time Jacob Rees Mogg reckons it might be when we start to see whether it was worth it or not. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 86f48e3566 I'm very disappointed with the MSM. Their coverage of Brexit preparations has been woeful. There are lots of juicy stories too if they could drag themselves away from Westminster for a moment and do some digging. Fact is you can prepare your backside off for no deal but it would cost far more than the £5bn already put aside for it to do it anywhere near properly. At some point you have to ask if it's so expensive and time consuming why do it? It's like building another Titanic to be the lifeboat for the Titanic when we could just avoid the iceberg. I promise no more Titanic analogies now.'" I agree that the coverage of the implications of Brexit have been woeful. However, there has been wild exaggeration about empty shelves etc. As with most supply and demand situations, most things can be overcome by throwing additional resources at any particular situation and on the basis that there will be suppliers wanting to maintain supplies and customers wanting those goods, although there will be some disruption, most things will find a new level pretty damn quickly and any opportunities that arise form and inability to supply, for whatever reason, will quickly be filled. My company has certainly increased stock from overseas to overcome the short term, although these goal posts do look to have moved (or being on the move) and the key will be in stock piling essential supplies, to overcome any short term issues. The media love a crisis and they always seem desperate to create one wherever possible. From Brexit to weather, climate change, immigration etc, etc - these are al real issues but, we dont get balanced reporting on so many stories.

All I can really comment on with any authority is how it would affect the NHS. It's about a lot more than just supply and demand of medicines.

You know what? It’s late in the day, but fair play to her on her latest offer. If she is serious, then I hope Corbyn isn’t a wally about it.

To you it is and you are entitled to that opinion - there are plenty of countries that trade very successfully with the EU that aren't members - these "Tiger" countries don't appear to have issues and they are growing at a far more rapid rate than any country in the EU.

The EU economy is in a better state than any of the larger countries in Europe - Germany is about to go into recession and France is a complete basket case.

Inequality has happened despite membership of the EU how is staying in going to help that? The UK is unique in that respect it is a issue in every country. Perhaps if we weren't spending c9bn in sporting the likes of Bulgaria we would have more money to support our own people. You are grasping at straws in respect of unemployment - but that's your perrogative.

What do I not like about EU laws - that our own courts dont have the utimate jurisdiction - ask Italy how they feel about not being able to implement what they feel is best for their country because the EU suggests it breaks some of their laws. It would be great if the government were prepared. I think it would be a positive thing if the government could offer subsides to attract new business - sadly this is not allowed under EU rules.

The EU is a bloated beaurocracy filled with the unelected such as Tusk, Barnier so like any large organisation waste will be significant. I have no issue with immigration diversity is a good thing provided the behaviours/values that we espose are adopted.

The government has invested record amounts on the NHS and Education - you could invest the whole GDP of the economy country in the NHS and it will not be sufficient so what is enough how much should we invest and how do we pay for it?

Hopefully,we leave with a deal but i am sure the best deal would have been attained if Brexit was a cross party affair from the word go instead of allowing the EU to get the upper hand in negotiations, because the UK didn't provide a united front.

I think we would be more agile - how is the EU's deal going with the US!! guarantee we would have a deal sorted quicker and on similar terms to the EU. Has the EU got advantageous terms compared to any other smaller country?

The EU is slow growth area - why would consider this a better option than dealing with the likes of India/China etc in the longer term?

The UK is the EU largest single market perhaps it is in their interest also to do a preferential deal with us?

Let’s hope Corbyn is smarter than you and sees this for the trap it is.

Whether Brexit does or doesn’t happen as a result of this ‘meeting’, I’ll guarantee you that the blame will be laid at the door of Corbyn/Labour by the MSM.

He should call another vote of no confidence.

:17l0wq8hWhich laws negatively impacted you? :17l0wq8h

It’s bigger than affecting one person, it’s how it affects the country as a whole. The EU has done great things when it comes to safety and the environment, but it’s a giant beast that is running away with itself. The EU has brought in the Marrakesh Political Declaration and this will affect every single one of us, it’s a declaration to make it easier for Africans to migrate to EU countries albeit legally, it will flood the labour market with Africans whether you be a Doctor, police officer, IT worker, train driver, civil servant etc there will be more people in this country as a result and more people using the infrastructure.

:17l0wq8hWhat don't you like about immigration? ?

What about the 114 Million euros a year it costs to move from Brussels to Strasbourg once a month.

I did say ‘if she is serious’. I’d like to think that even she wouldn’t rock up to the meeting just expecting him to provide Labour support for MV4.

Yes, it’s a trap in one sense. He’ll get the blame for facilitating a Tory Brexit on the one hand, and for it being too soft on the other. It’s an absolute shizzle time to be a political leader, and his ambitions will likely go the same way May’s have. She is, of course, asking him to sup from the poisoned cup that Cameron handed her. But the alternative is No Deal, so he is trapped anyway.

I don’t want to see him get Clegged, and i’d have preferred the tories to own this. However, that’s life and maybe this is a chance for both of them to go out as heroes, martyred on the political pyre that is Brexit. I think they’d deserve a commemorative mug, emblazoned with both their faces.

That could still happen, we haven’t left yet, if we leave without a deal the economy will more than likely go into a recession.