I've said before and I'll say again - there was lots of pointless rhetoric on both sides; that said, we're hardly in a great place economically are we, despite the spin; the value of the £ has tanked, GDP has risen slightly but that doesn't help inequality, and employment is up, but only because the govt fiddle the figures to exclude lots of people, and to include people who work 1 hour a week on a zero hour contract. Meanwhile, public services are slashed to the bone, the NHS, police, fire service and schools are virtually crippled, homelessness is up, and the number of children living in absolute poverty has risen.

What is a bad deal? You have not stated one issue despite being pretty certain they are screwing us & giving us a bad deal.

Why would those countries give us a better deal than a deal with 27 other countries combined with a significantly bigger market? Is it cos we won the war?

But it is broadly in line with what other countries have, who are beyond all of May’s red lines. It’s what we (well, our PM) asked for. It isn’t remotely punitive, imo. I don’t think it is even an especially bad deal, under the circumstances - although obviously it can be seen as such by people who still want to remain, or who imagined our special, ambitious, bespoke deal would somehow give us something like the best of both worlds.

The thing about going off and seeing if you can do better by yourself, is that you can’t really blame the ones you’re leaving for not going out of their way to make your life easier.

The backstop for the border between NI and Ireland is a unique difficulty, but not one of the of the EU’s making.

I mean, really - what did you expect?

Please don't help this muppet answer the questions. He has made 2 clear statements that are fundamental to what the majority of the xenophobes believe but when questioned cannot provide a grain of evidence.

And so the merry go round starts again.

To say no deal is possibly going to be beneficial in the long term is like saying in 1911 that ocean liner passenger safety is going to improve after the Titanic.

Why not avoid the iceberg?

I've been involved in emergency planning and response for 13 years for the Police, Local Authorities, NHS, Red Cross and Central Government. I've dealt with incidents from terrorism to flooding to infectious disease outbreaks. Never have I come across a situation where something that will require a national Major Incident response for at least 6 months is allowed to happen when it could be averted. It's like witnessing a slow motion car crash where the drivers can stop it happening at any time but plough on regardless.

Allowing no deal will be political suicide for any government that allows it to occur. It's a shame that it will have to occur for people to see it.

Really? Capitalist greed caused the world's biggest financial disaster. The poor paid for it through austerity. The Tories got back in power. I am in no doubt that leaving with no deal would be disastrous, but you can be sure the MSM would not blame Brexit. It would be the EU - see Post's posts - the unions, greedy workers, immigrants, the Labour party, environmentalists, vegans.....anyone else.

Did they imagine that, or were they explicitly told it by charlatans like David Davis, or disaster capitalists like Rees-Mogg, and believed it because, in true public schoolboy style, if you spew any old with sufficient confidence, long words and a plummy accent, the plebs will take it on good faith?

We've been had.

Quote: tigertot "Really? Capitalist greed caused the world's biggest financial disaster. The poor paid for it through austerity. The Tories got back in power. I am in no doubt that leaving with no deal would be disastrous, but you can be sure the MSM would not blame Brexit. It would be the EU - see Post's posts - the unions, greedy workers, immigrants, the Labour party, environmentalists, vegans.....anyone else.'" I'm sure you're right initially. I expect with the benefit of 50-100 years people will see the light. Right around the time Jacob Rees Mogg reckons it might be when we start to see whether it was worth it or not. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 86f48e3566 I'm very disappointed with the MSM. Their coverage of Brexit preparations has been woeful. There are lots of juicy stories too if they could drag themselves away from Westminster for a moment and do some digging. Fact is you can prepare your backside off for no deal but it would cost far more than the £5bn already put aside for it to do it anywhere near properly. At some point you have to ask if it's so expensive and time consuming why do it? It's like building another Titanic to be the lifeboat for the Titanic when we could just avoid the iceberg. I promise no more Titanic analogies now.

Quote: tigertot "Really? Capitalist greed caused the world's biggest financial disaster. The poor paid for it through austerity. The Tories got back in power. I am in no doubt that leaving with no deal would be disastrous, but you can be sure the MSM would not blame Brexit. It would be the EU - see Post's posts - the unions, greedy workers, immigrants, the Labour party, environmentalists, vegans.....anyone else.'" I'm sure you're right initially. I expect with the benefit of 50-100 years people will see the light. Right around the time Jacob Rees Mogg reckons it might be when we start to see whether it was worth it or not. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 86f48e3566 I'm very disappointed with the MSM. Their coverage of Brexit preparations has been woeful. There are lots of juicy stories too if they could drag themselves away from Westminster for a moment and do some digging. Fact is you can prepare your backside off for no deal but it would cost far more than the £5bn already put aside for it to do it anywhere near properly. At some point you have to ask if it's so expensive and time consuming why do it? It's like building another Titanic to be the lifeboat for the Titanic when we could just avoid the iceberg. I promise no more Titanic analogies now.

All I can really comment on with any authority is how it would affect the NHS. It's about a lot more than just supply and demand of medicines.

You know what? It’s late in the day, but fair play to her on her latest offer. If she is serious, then I hope Corbyn isn’t a wally about it.

To you it is and you are entitled to that opinion - there are plenty of countries that trade very successfully with the EU that aren't members - these "Tiger" countries don't appear to have issues and they are growing at a far more rapid rate than any country in the EU.

The EU economy is in a better state than any of the larger countries in Europe - Germany is about to go into recession and France is a complete basket case.

Inequality has happened despite membership of the EU how is staying in going to help that? The UK is unique in that respect it is a issue in every country. Perhaps if we weren't spending c9bn in sporting the likes of Bulgaria we would have more money to support our own people. You are grasping at straws in respect of unemployment - but that's your perrogative.

What do I not like about EU laws - that our own courts dont have the utimate jurisdiction - ask Italy how they feel about not being able to implement what they feel is best for their country because the EU suggests it breaks some of their laws. It would be great if the government were prepared. I think it would be a positive thing if the government could offer subsides to attract new business - sadly this is not allowed under EU rules.

The EU is a bloated beaurocracy filled with the unelected such as Tusk, Barnier so like any large organisation waste will be significant. I have no issue with immigration diversity is a good thing provided the behaviours/values that we espose are adopted.

The government has invested record amounts on the NHS and Education - you could invest the whole GDP of the economy country in the NHS and it will not be sufficient so what is enough how much should we invest and how do we pay for it?

Hopefully,we leave with a deal but i am sure the best deal would have been attained if Brexit was a cross party affair from the word go instead of allowing the EU to get the upper hand in negotiations, because the UK didn't provide a united front.