Wrong again. Churchill saw Britain being at the heart of it.

Ey up! Looks like the big boys are rlweighing inrl.

What is your source for that assertion? Churchill's September 1946 speech on the subject ended:

"The first step is to form a Council of Europe.

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In all this urgent work, France and Germany must take the lead together.

Great Britain, the British Commonwealth of Nations, mighty America, and I trust a Soviet Russia - for then indeed all would be well - must be the friends and sponsors of the new Europe and must champion its right to live and shine."

Crapping themselves in case their bosses in the U.S. make them move to boring Frankfurt where they won't understand the language!

Testing the influence of Count Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi on the EU is very simplewas[/i proposed in the "Kalergi Plan" with what [iis[/i taking place right now.

As for Churchill ... he'd most likely be a supporter.

The main argument from the remain side seems to be 'yeah we know the EU is sh*t and it's only going to get worse but do you really want to risk a step into the unknown?'

The thought of Boris and Micheal ending up in charge of Britain scares the life out of me , however the hypocrisy being displayed by the ' in ' campaign is quite ridiculous

Short term pain for long term gain for me , out

What long term gain would that be, precisely?

I'll be voting to stay in as I am not any of the following:

1. Ill-informed
2. Xenophobic
3. Stupid
4. A conspiracy fruitcake
5. All of the above

Plus Brexiters make me embarrassed to be British.

I believe we will have no problems trading with the world including the EU after initially seeing short term issues

Giving future generations the right to self determination?

Self-determination is ALWAYS the right choice but I'm afraid both sides are deluding themselves here. Just look at the nations which have attempted to pursue a path of true self-determination over the last few decades (Iraq, Iran, Yugoslavia etc.) - not a pretty sight, is it?

From the beginning this vote has almost exclusively been about personalities rather than tangible policies. Which tells me it's a contrived wedge-issue specifically designed to make people think they really do have a say in the political process.

Basically, there's something big in the pipeline. Cameron has taken his full body burden of radioactivity and so it's time to bring in someone fresh whilst making sure that the public thinks it was their decision all along.

I've said it before but no decision which is as important as mainstream media currently emphasizes would ever be left to the whims of the unwashed masses.

Just look at some of the posts above. I wouldn't trust most of these morons to eat with a fork and not stab themselves in the eye. And now you wish to put DEMOCRACY itself in their hands?