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| Still about a month to go and things are becoming even more tiresome - I'm wondering how I'm going to be able to put up with another 4 weeks of this childish rubbish.
However, I'd just like to pay huge thanks to the leader of the Greens, Natalie Bennett - Has a leader of a political party ever provided so many unintentional laughs during an election campaign before?
I know there is a lot of good intention about the Greens, but they really are a bunch of crackpots, who are away with the fairies, and in Bennett they have a leader who is truly on another planet.
Interviewing her must be an absolute dream for any TV or radio show producers because she is absolute gold - Any interviewer just has to say the magic words '....and how are you going to pay for that?' to any of her bonkers policies and, bingo, the stuttering and general know-nothingness begins and you suddenly have political gold.
Keep it up Ms Bennett, you might make this election almost bearable.
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "Still about a month to go and things are becoming even more tiresome - I'm wondering how I'm going to be able to put up with another 4 weeks of this childish rubbish.
However, I'd just like to pay huge thanks to the leader of the Greens, Natalie Bennett - Has a leader of a political party ever provided so many unintentional laughs during an election campaign before?
I know there is a lot of good intention about the Greens, but they really are a bunch of crackpots, who are away with the fairies, and in Bennett they have a leader who is truly on another planet.
Interviewing her must be an absolute dream for any TV or radio show producers because she is absolute gold - Any interviewer just has to say the magic words '....and how are you going to pay for that?' to any of her bonkers policies and, bingo, the stuttering and general know-nothingness begins and you suddenly have political gold.
Keep it up Ms Bennett, you might make this election almost bearable.'"
Not too dissimilar to Farage then.
Leaving the EU and reducing foreign aid, with UKIP as the catalyst appear to be all we need to produce the magic money tree
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| The none dom thing is truly bonkers - how is this going to be administered. How are they going estimate how much tax a Russian billionaire should pay? HMRC will have no juristriction to investigate earnings in a foreign country. Whilst not ideal better to at least get the 60k plus tax on any UK earnings and the huge spend these people get through here than nothing. Better to concentrate on getting companies to pay tax on UK earned perofits
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Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "The none dom thing is truly bonkers - how is this going to be administered. How are they going estimate how much tax a Russian billionaire should pay? HMRC will have no juristriction to investigate earnings in a foreign country. Whilst not ideal better to at least get the 60k plus tax on any UK earnings and the huge spend these people get through here than nothing. Better to concentrate on getting companies to pay tax on UK earned perofits'"
Zac Goldsmith, born, bred, educated in the UK was elligible for non-dom status, inherited (along with about £200,000,000) from his father. He voluntarily relinquished non-dom status, as did Lord Noon because they both knew it was inequitable. The "flight of money" threat is simply another scare tactic, similar to the one we faced when cracking down on spiv bankers and traders.
As soon as any individual or company states "I/we pay all UK taxes that are due", you simply know that they have some serious dosh to hide from the taxman.
In 2008 the Institute of Directors predicted flight from the UK when Labour first proposed the non-dom levyhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCJB6kwXIAAU2fA.jpg:large" >
The sky didn't fall in then and it's doubtful it will now
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Looks like the tories are getting increasing desperate and more personal.
Michael Fallon now says that rlMiliband would stab the UK in the back, just like he stabbed his brother in the backrl
He conveniently forgets that Ed and David Miliband ran in an open leadership campaign and Ed won by the rules that were clear and transparent from the start. He also seems oblivious that whether or not Labour manage to achieve power with the help of the SNP, there isn't a snowball's chance of Trident being scrapped, unless the tories and every other party voted against it and that ain't going to happen
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| Quote: cod'ead "Looks like the tories are getting increasing desperate and more personal.
Michael Fallon now says that rlMiliband would stab the UK in the back, just like he stabbed his brother in the backrl
He conveniently forgets that Ed and David Miliband ran in an open leadership campaign and Ed won by the rules that were clear and transparent from the start. He also seems oblivious that whether or not Labour manage to achieve power with the help of the SNP, there isn't a snowball's chance of Trident being scrapped, unless the tories and every other party voted against it and that ain't going to happen'"
They're going to try to do to Miliband what they did to Kinnock. Cameron will let his gang of school bullies do the dirty work while he tries to appear above it all. Hopefully it will backfire, the "people" are apparantly sick of this type of politics, but that's something I find hard to believe unfortuntely.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "The none dom thing is truly bonkers - how is this going to be administered. How are they going estimate how much tax a Russian billionaire should pay? HMRC will have no juristriction to investigate earnings in a foreign country. Whilst not ideal better to at least get the 60k plus tax on any UK earnings and the huge spend these people get through here than nothing. Better to concentrate on getting companies to pay tax on UK earned perofits'"
The UK is the only country in the world to have this non-dom status and it needs to be scrapped because if you are rich enough such that even by paying £50K levy you are better off than paying tax on your income then this is as clear an example as you could imagine of "one law for the rich". Scare stories about lost revenue are just that as it is expected to raise about £1bn not lose HMRC money.
I will give you an example as to why it is wrong to persist with it. I work for a US company and they have a share scheme and the share account is held in the USA. I am taxed by HMRC with regards to this scheme (not the US IRS) because like any UK resident I am liable to pay tax on my income [iwherever it is earned in the world[/i.
However as non-doms only have to pay income tax on their UK income then if a non-dom was in this share scheme alongside me, they could legally leave it undeclared and pay no UK tax on any income derived from it. Yet they could be living and working in the UK permanently.
I defy you to rationalise this as an equitable state of affairs.
Take away that non-dom status and any such failure to declare would become illegal. I am sure some would try it but most people are honest and would declare rather than face the prospect of being arrested. They don't glibly decide to break laws.
There are also tax treaties in place so you are not taxed twice if you take up residence in another country for an extended period and it all works very well. So there is no reason to persist with the archaic privilege.
Arguing against scrapping it is arguing for the rich and no one else to retain a privilege that allows them to avoid tax. This is why the Tories are in such a flat spin about it.
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: DHM "They're going to try to do to Miliband what they did to Kinnock. Cameron will let his gang of school bullies do the dirty work while he tries to appear above it all. Hopefully it will backfire, the "people" are apparantly sick of this type of politics, but that's something I find hard to believe unfortuntely.'"
Michael Fallon may have spoken the words but there's no doubt that Lynton Crosby wrote the script. Crosby may have been successful in getting Abbott elected in Australia using similar tactics but I think he and the tories may have seriously underestimated the British electorate and their intolerance of bullies.
On the lunchtime Daily Politics, Phillip Hammond was repeatedly asked to endorse Fallon's "backstabber" remarks, he continued to evade the question. Tim Montgomerie, a known rabid tory, has also criticised the personal nature of the attack on Miliband
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icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg |
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| Quote: cod'ead "Zac Goldsmith, born, bred, educated in the UK was elligible for non-dom status, inherited (along with about £200,000,000) from his father. He voluntarily relinquished non-dom status, as did Lord Noon because they both knew it was inequitable. The "flight of money" threat is simply another scare tactic, similar to the one we faced when cracking down on spiv bankers and traders.
As soon as any individual or company states "I/we pay all UK taxes that are due", you simply know that they have some serious dosh to hide from the taxman.
In 2008 the Institute of Directors predicted flight from the UK when Labour first proposed the non-dom levyhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCJB6kwXIAAU2fA.jpg:large" >
The sky didn't fall in then and it's doubtful it will now'"
I am not saying that people will do runners but how are you going verify the figures somebody like Abromovich is going to submit its impossible.
I would imagine in Rothschild's case the vast majority of his income will be Uk based in the form of salary dividends and rental income so no real loss to him
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I am not saying that people will do runners but how are you going verify the figures somebody like Abromovich is going to submit its impossible.
I would imagine in Rothschild's case the vast majority of his income will be Uk based in the form of salary dividends and rental income so no real loss to him'"
I never mentioned Rothschild.
Here's another one for you - Lord Rothermere: Proprietor of the Daily and Sunday Wails. Born in the UK, educated in the UK, lives in the UK. Claims non-dom status on his family's French heritage. The question anyone should ask is WHY?
As for Abromovitch, it is quite possible we have a tax treaty with Russia, there are plenty of them. To use the excuse that we may not be able to audit some individuals, so we shouldn't abolish non-dom status is weak in the extreme
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "The none dom thing is truly bonkers - how is this going to be administered. How are they going estimate how much tax a Russian billionaire should pay? HMRC will have no juristriction to investigate earnings in a foreign country. Whilst not ideal better to at least get the 60k plus tax on any UK earnings and the huge spend these people get through here than nothing. Better to concentrate on getting companies to pay tax on UK earned perofits'"
Ed M was very weasly with his words. Any changes are likely to be tinkering and probably include removing taking your father's domicile even if you are born here. There are a lot of wealthy people, especially those whose families have come from Asia who can currently claim the status.
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| Quote: DHM "They're going to try to do to Miliband what they did to Kinnock. Cameron will let his gang of school bullies do the dirty work while he tries to appear above it all. Hopefully it will backfire, the "people" are apparantly sick of this type of politics, but that's something I find hard to believe unfortuntely.'"
There will be plenty of Bullingdon references to even it up.
Still a daft topic to go negative on. Voters often say that they dont want nuclear arms, but dont seem to vote in favour of disarmers. Its a topic they'd rather everyone just kept quiet about.
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Looks like Lynton Crosby's tactics are really paying off. For the very first time Ed Miliband has jumped above David Camoron in Party Leader Approval Ratings
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Things really must be getting desperate when the Torygraph's Chief Political Correspondent resorts to writing rlthis sort of craprl. Is that really what he aspired to in journalist school?
It gets worse. The Torygraph seems to be turning into some sort of braodsheet Hello magazine.
Same author BTW
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: DHM "They're going to try to do to Miliband what they did to Kinnock. Cameron will let his gang of school bullies do the dirty work while he tries to appear above it all. Hopefully it will backfire, the "people" are apparantly sick of this type of politics, but that's something I find hard to believe unfortuntely.'"
rlIt's officialrl
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