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Quote: LeighGionaire "Thinking about it I can fully understand why an awful lot of Scottish folk want out of the U.K. We are a nation being shat upon from a great height by the politicians, banksters and spivs who run our country. The City of London is a cesspit of global financial fraud and a casino where these financial warlords gamble other people’s pensions and savings, awarding themselves huge bonuses when they win but when they lose passing on the losses to the taxpayer. Then their political cronies use these bailouts as an excuse to force austerity upon the masses and slash the Government spending on the poor and needy. The press as defenders of their corporate masters are always there to defend this bull***, finding convenient scapegoats for us to vent our anger upon. The financial complexities of a flawed, utterly corrupt and fraudulent global financial system are hard to understand but we can see its consequences all around, pay freezes, job insecurity, inflation (or ‘stealth-flation’ where the price doesn’t increase but the product is stealthily reduced in size and weight). Then as icing on the cake we find out that The Establishment are not only greedy self serving barstewards but also include many paedophiles whose crimes have been covered up to protect the status quo. If you were actually given an opportunity to break away from this kind of bull**** and the chance to try and build something better wouldn't you jump at the chance?'"



I'd agree with this whole-heartedly, if it wasn't for the fact that Salmond is planning to leave the Union, only to cosy up with the even more corrupt European Union..... icon_lol.gif

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Quote: LeighGionaire "Thinking about it I can fully understand why an awful lot of Scottish folk want out of the U.K. We are a nation being shat upon from a great height by the politicians, banksters and spivs who run our country. The City of London is a cesspit of global financial fraud and a casino where these financial warlords gamble other people’s pensions and savings, awarding themselves huge bonuses when they win but when they lose passing on the losses to the taxpayer. Then their political cronies use these bailouts as an excuse to force austerity upon the masses and slash the Government spending on the poor and needy. The press as defenders of their corporate masters are always there to defend this bull***, finding convenient scapegoats for us to vent our anger upon. The financial complexities of a flawed, utterly corrupt and fraudulent global financial system are hard to understand but we can see its consequences all around, pay freezes, job insecurity, inflation (or ‘stealth-flation’ where the price doesn’t increase but the product is stealthily reduced in size and weight). Then as icing on the cake we find out that The Establishment are not only greedy self serving barstewards but also include many paedophiles whose crimes have been covered up to protect the status quo. If you were actually given an opportunity to break away from this kind of bull**** and the chance to try and build something better wouldn't you jump at the chance?'"

It was the Scottish based banks that got us in the mire!

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Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "
It just seems the English are really, really scared of Scotland voting for independence and I don't really get why. They are a small country of 5m people and a fraction of the UK economy. The way the English politicians say that Scotland can't survive by themselves as though they are a basket case, but if they were such a basket case then surely we'd be happy to see the back of them.
'"


I agree with you on this and my own opinion is they fear a financial meltdown in the City of London if the vote is YES.

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This could really damage the whole of the UK. A large part of our wealth is based on our safe-haven status for global investors. They key thing that underpins that is our long-term political stability. This vote is, and if "Yes" undermines that. We could all end up in the mire. But, Scotland will depopulate within a generation if they vote yes. Pieces will increase significantly, property will lose value, thousands of jobs will be lost, taxes will rise and / or public services will be cut massively, etc.

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "I'd agree with this whole-heartedly, if it wasn't for the fact that Salmond is planning to leave the Union, only to cosy up with the even more corrupt European Union.....
I know, the mind boggles!

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Quote: Dally "This could really damage the whole of the UK. A large part of our wealth is based on our safe-haven status for global investors. They key thing that underpins that is our long-term political stability. This vote is, and if "Yes" undermines that. We could all end up in the mire. But, Scotland will depopulate within a generation if they vote yes. Pieces will increase significantly, property will lose value, thousands of jobs will be lost, taxes will rise and / or public services will be cut massively, etc.'"


I think everything hinges on the National Debt and currency issues.

IMO the SNP haven't put near enough thought into this and our political elites, so blind to the fact that they are hated so much that the Scottish would actually contemplate voting YES, have not prepared for this eventuality. This is why Cameron in his arrogance demanded a straight YES or NO vote with no third option of more devolution.

They are panicking now like they did when the markets started to collapse in 2008. Remember Gordon Brown 'saved the world' when the U.K government stepped in as lender of last resort. If it happens again who's going to prop up the debt pyramid?

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Quote: Lord Elpers "Another issue would be what the UK would charge to allow the use of the intellectual rights and software for all the government departments, NHS, tax, pensions etc'"


That software is owned by HM Gov?

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Lloyds, RBS and Clydesdale Bank all confirming that in the event of a 'yes' they will move head offices from Scotland to London. Granted, many head office functions are already in London but it's still a significant decision that should send a clear warning.

Similarly, Standard Life suggesting they will move parts of their business south of the border, and even set up new businesses in England in order to channel customers' money into in the name of a more secure financial environment.

Salmond's entire campaign is nothing more than a huge and dangerous gamble based on vague and weak promises but the fact the 'yes' campaign is shouting the loudest seems to matter most at the moment.

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Quote: LeighGionaire "Thinking about it I can fully understand why an awful lot of Scottish folk want out of the U.K. We are a nation being shat upon from a great height by the politicians, banksters and spivs who run our country. The City of London is a cesspit of global financial fraud and a casino where these financial warlords gamble other people’s pensions and savings, awarding themselves huge bonuses when they win but when they lose passing on the losses to the taxpayer. Then their political cronies use these bailouts as an excuse to force austerity upon the masses and slash the Government spending on the poor and needy. The press as defenders of their corporate masters are always there to defend this bull***, finding convenient scapegoats for us to vent our anger upon. The financial complexities of a flawed, utterly corrupt and fraudulent global financial system are hard to understand but we can see its consequences all around, pay freezes, job insecurity, inflation (or ‘stealth-flation’ where the price doesn’t increase but the product is stealthily reduced in size and weight). Then as icing on the cake we find out that The Establishment are not only greedy self serving barstewards but also include many paedophiles whose crimes have been covered up to protect the status quo. If you were actually given an opportunity to break away from this kind of bull**** and the chance to try and build something better wouldn't you jump at the chance?'"


erm, yep, thats just about got it covered. icon_biggrin.gif

Sad thing is, anyone with a pension scheme relies on this "system" to maintain it.

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Quote: Dally "This could really damage the whole of the UK. A large part of our wealth is based on our safe-haven status for global investors. They key thing that underpins that is our long-term political stability. This vote is, and if "Yes" undermines that. We could all end up in the mire. But, Scotland will depopulate within a generation if they vote yes. Pieces will increase significantly, property will lose value, thousands of jobs will be lost, taxes will rise and / or public services will be cut massively, etc.'"


...and then there will be a plague of frogs, an infestation of boils on genitals, and the sky will fall on their heads.

Off to sleep now, I'm turning the light off and I can hear you downstairs, goodnight children.

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "Whilst we are getting slightly trivial, here's a couple of sporting questions brought up by this independence vote...

...1. Will there be no more Golfing British Open's at St Andrew's and the other Scottish courses??..... Would seem a bit odd not playing at the home of Golf any more, but surely you couldn't have a 'British' Open in a foreign country?

2. Scottish sportsmen would not be able to compete at the 2016 Olympics. New countries have to apply for membership of the Olympic movement and most applications take upto 4 years.... Andy Murray would be grumpier than normal if he isn't allowed to defend his title?....
Point 1. Is incorrect for two reasons. Firstly it's "The Open" not The British Open. Secondly it is run by the Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews

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Quote: JerryChicken "...and then there will be a plague of frogs, an infestation of boils on genitals, and the sky will fall on their heads.

Off to sleep now, I'm turning the light off and I can hear you downstairs, goodnight children.'"


So let's examine what I said:

Prices (not "pieces"icon_wink.gif. If retailers, etc (not to mention postal services and similar) do not operate in a single country they will, in my opinion, inevitably charge more in Scotland on the grounds of costs being higher (remoteness). Currently those costs are spread over the whole UK consumer base.

Jobs - financial services will lose jobs, indeed nearly all should Scotland have to use a different currency. But aside from that, what about the public sector jobs put there to swallow up unemployment - eg HMRC's Cumbernauld centre, etc?

If prices do rise and jobs go, then property prices will inevitably fall too.

If those things happen how is this welfare bonanza of which Salmond speaks to be funded - higher taxes or no bonanza and cuts?

At the end of the day, Salmond wanted "devo max" and now he's got it. If there is a "Yes" vote he'll panic!

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Quote: Neil "Point 1. Is incorrect for two reasons. Firstly it's "The Open" not The British Open. Secondly it is run by the Royal and Ancient Golf Club of St Andrews'"


Thank you for clearing that up, though I must admit I've heard it called the British Open before, I guess it will stick to its official name.... icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Dally "If there is a "Yes" vote he'll panic!'"

No he won't. He'll just feck off saying "There you go guys, it's all yours"

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "Thank you for clearing that up, though I must admit I've heard it called the British Open before, I guess it will stick to its official name....

You have, the "British" gets included so as to not upset the Yanks. They'll probably still call it the British Open on the grounds that it takes place in the British Isles.

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15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
       League One 2025-R10
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Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
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Salford
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15:00
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Newcastle
15:00
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Cornwall
15:00
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Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
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v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
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19:00
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v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
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20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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