Quote: cod'ead "No it doesn't. Fraser Nelson has never been nice, he's never had a humane thing to say about anyone who is less able or advantaged than himself. He is the archetypal 'right-wing nutjob' I referred to. As for my opinion on tories, look no further than my sig. I reckon when Kosh sees what you've written, you'll be in for a barrel-load'" Not really. I haven't misquoted him. He said on Sat April 6th 2013 at 5.42 pm. "I didn't even contest the point about majority support - it's not exactly fresh information after all" viewtopic.php?f=11&t=547815&tsmp=1371073622&start=110 Exactly the opposite of what Chris was bleating on about.

Quote: cod'ead "No it doesn't. Fraser Nelson has never been nice, he's never had a humane thing to say about anyone who is less able or advantaged than himself. He is the archetypal 'right-wing nutjob' I referred to. As for my opinion on tories, look no further than my sig. I reckon when Kosh sees what you've written, you'll be in for a barrel-load'" Not really. I haven't misquoted him. He said on Sat April 6th 2013 at 5.42 pm. "I didn't even contest the point about majority support - it's not exactly fresh information after all" viewtopic.php?f=11&t=547815&tsmp=1371073622&start=110 Exactly the opposite of what Chris was bleating on about.

No and No.



My grammar may have made the post ambiguous but I've no doubt you know I support a welfare state so that part of your post isn't applicable to me.

OK, if we accept you support a welfare state and, as you've already allude to, you support a finite cap on benefits. Who do you suggest should lose out?

What do you suggest should happen when housing benefit does not cover the cost of housing? Do you simply move the tenant to a cheaper area? Do you tell the landlord that he'll have to accept a lower rent? Or do you sit on your hands and wait for the inevitable eviction and pass the problem from the DWP to the Local Authority? Perhaps you have another solution?

3. Some people on this forum actually claim benefits and know the system and how it works and whats happening inside out. I have paid my taxes all my working life. I had three jobs in the months leading upto my diagnosis, one full time and two part time jobs (part time jobs on a weekend). I paid 20% tax on my main, full time job and 25% tax on each of my part time weekend jobs. I became ill. I couldn't work. I had to give up 3 jobs I loved, one working at the Boulevard, getting to work AND watch my team. I have kept my end of the bargain paying my taxes, I expect any government to keep theirs. Unfortunately no one told Mr Cameron this and he has done everything in his power, along with his cronies, IDS, Grayling, Miller, McVey to pillory me at every turn. I have been made out to be a liar along with my consultants, GP's, etc, I have been told I'm a skiver, I should be at work, I've been told that because Mr HWS earns more than £7.5k a year he has to support me making me feel worthless to society, which has taken me a long time to realise that I'm not.

"First they came......................"

This one has become top of my hit-list at present.
They keep wheeling the annoying irritating bitch out on BBC News for interview.
She seems to be Tory centrals new female face after sidelining the equally nauseating Baroness.

She should stick to being the pretty face of TV presenting because she knows bugger all about disabilities or illness. She first started on Childrens TV. Thats about her level.

There are polls and there are polls, not all are worthy of note.
Before I take much notice of any poll, I always want to know what question was asked.
"Welfare reform" could mean anything from abolition of the welfare state rigfht through to increasing benefits.

It's only a few weeks since Gove used the same tactic about "survey after survey has shown ..." and it turned out that the one survey that even touched upon his topic was irrelevant.

And, of course, is peddling lies in the process of trying to 'sell' these changes.

You lost that one as well.

By the way - has anyone seen AJW and crumpledforeskin in the same room at the same time?

Yes, he and was caught out trying to say that the claimant count went down because of his reforms ... his own department had to issue a statement saying they couldn't support the claim.
But, as usual, the rightwing press didn't blare out the correction as they did with IDS's lies.

I lost? Because you say so.

Don't make a fool of yourself laddie.

Well of course you will try and discredit them because you are don't want to face the fact that the majority support the changes that are being introduced.

Even if you were to somehow draw the conclusion that the majority did indeed support the reforms it would be because they have all been brainwashed by rabid right wing press. So predictable.

The people who administer these things are useless. We wrote a while back to stop child benefit. Mrs D subsequently wrote to say we had to actually pay some back to them. So what do they do? They now write saying they going to pay 6 months backdated child benefit into our bank account!