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Quote: Diavolo Rosso "From that Guardian articleThe problem with society, today, is not lack of money or debt but lack of ideas, lack of commitment by our government and big business to realise that its constituents are the people[/i

Someone should spray paint that in big fscking letters across the side of the Houses of Parliament. What a man.'"


A little addition and I'd agree 100%

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Quote: Dally "The British public clearly do not think austerity has gone far enough. Appparently, per a poll reported this morning 72% of Tory voters think politicians are reckless in spending taxpayer money, 69% of Lib Dem voters and a whopping 79% of Labour voters. When asked the question differently, only 19% thought they spent money wisely.

In essence, Labour have nowhere to go on this issue as the Tories are in step with public opinion.'"


Which options would the public prefer: Spending budgets more wisely vs spending less money?

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Lets face it, if the Tories had inherited full employment, good growth and no debt, they would still have gone along an ideological path of cutting spending and privatising as much as they could. They remind me of the Scorpion and the Frog story, they cannot help it, it's what they do.

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Quote: Diavolo Rosso "From that Guardian articleThe problem with society, today, is not lack of money or debt but lack of ideas, lack of commitment by our government to realise that its constituents are the people[/i

Someone should spray paint that in big fscking letters across the side of the Houses of Parliament. What a man.'"


I would amend that. The problem with society today is that everyone knows their rights and entitlements. Few know their responsibilities, commitments and duties.

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Quote: The Video Ref "I would amend that. The problem with society today is that everyone knows their rights and entitlements. Few know their responsibilities, commitments and duties.'"


Bollox

I suppose that's why the vast majority of the population pay their taxes on-time and in full

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Quote: cod'ead "Bollox

I suppose that's why the vast majority of the population pay their taxes on-time and in full'"


In reality it is the companies/institutions/government depts that 99% of the population work for or use pay their taxes on time and in full - whether that be PAYE, VAT, etc.

Do you think if calculating and paying over taxes was a personal obligation the compliance rate would be anywhere close to the current position?

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Quote: rover49 "Lets face it, if the Tories had inherited full employment, good growth and no debt, they would still have gone along an ideological path of cutting spending and privatising as much as they could. They remind me of the Scorpion and the Frog story, they cannot help it, it's what they do.'"


Agreed but is that not what you would expect from any right wing driven ideology?

If Labour had inherited the exact same situation they would have looked to increase further the size of the state through increased taxation - that is what they do, that is what they always do.

The problem is the term of the government - 5 years will drive a certain pattern of behaviour which they hope will result in re-election.

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Quote: cod'ead "Bollox

I suppose that's why the vast majority of the population pay their taxes on-time and in full'"



The vast majority have little choice with PAYE.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Agreed but is that not what you would expect from any right wing driven ideology?

If Labour had inherited the exact same situation they would have looked to increase further the size of the state through increased taxation - that is what they do, that is what they always do.

The problem is the term of the government - 5 years will drive a certain pattern of behaviour which they hope will result in re-election.'"


So, given that the Blair government continued privatisation and deregulation, it was, by your own logic, not a Labour government at all.

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Quote: Mintball "So, given that the Blair government continued privatisation and deregulation, it was, by your own logic, not a Labour government at all.'"


Did the spending on the public sector grow under the Blair administration - yes so by my definition a typical Labour government.

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Quote: Big Graeme "The vast majority have little choice with PAYE.'"


no [is[/ihit Sherlock

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Did the spending on the public sector grow under the Blair administration - yes so by my definition a typical Labour government.'"


Did privatisation and deregulation occur? If so, by your own definition (from the real world, presumably) them obviously not a very 'socialist' government.

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Quote: cod'ead "no [is[/ihit Sherlock'"


So what was your point then?

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Quote: Big Graeme "So what was your point then?'"


read the post I responded to

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Quote: Mintball "Did privatisation and deregulation occur? If so, by your own definition (from the real world, presumably) them obviously not a very 'socialist' government.'"


Where in my point did I say anything about deregulation? - I said if you get a Labour government you will get an increase in the size of the state - this is exactly what happened under Blair. So by the measure I suggested Labour did under Blair exactly did what it always does - it increased the size of the state.

That is the reality/fact - what are you struggling with here!!

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