But she is still orders of magnitude smarter than you, probably a lot less offensive too.

He doesn't respond to anything that he can't understand, or anything that doesn't fit with his twisted, extremist views!

It never ceases to amaze me that when debating with people who hold a certain faith or religion normally reasonable and intelligent people who do not share that faith display such anger and bile.

I have to say I disagree entirely with Kirkstaller but like to think I could articulate my responses better than descending to calling him "human garbage" or such like.

Normally reasoned intelligent posters have let themselves down badly on this thread.

I have not judged anyone.

He started it by insisting that I (and of course you) are definitely doomed to rot in hell. And he knows. (Well, he's personally met jesus, so he should). Given what he believes hell to be, what has anyone said which is more bilious a slur than that?

I would suspect that the vast majority of people I know are religious, whether that be Christian, Muslim or whatever, yet I find them to be nice people. The reaction to kirkstaller is pretty unique and IMHO understandable, given the nasty stuff he comes out with. But each to his own.

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I can only speak for myself here, but I have no qualms whatsoever about calling someone a sanctimonious, heartless little sh[ii[/it when they appear to revel in the 'natural' death of a poor sod who spent the last 7 years trapped in a horrific situation which none of us can even contemplate - a situation the little sh[ii[/it in question would have happily seen extended indefinitely. No qualms at all. This isn't 'faith' we're talking about, it's bat mental, vindictive bigotry.

He can think what he likes about me. He might be right about where I am headed

I just gauge a very aggressive response whenever someone openly displays their faith from those who don't share those views.

No, mine is a an Evangelical church. We are not Hyper-Calvinists like the WBC.

To the layman this means that I am genuinely interested in spreading the Gospel and persuading people to choose Jesus.

WBC on the other hand believe that they belong to tiny handful of people who will be saved and that everyone else is doomed to Hell whether they like it or not. They don’t spread the Gospel; instead they revel, gloat and abuse those who they consider not worthy of God.

They are vile.



I did not revel in the natural death of Tony Nicklinson. I simply stated that it was a more dignified way to go out than persuading a doctor to murder him. I might not have expressed it as sensitively as I would have liked, but I make no apologies for the point I was making.

probably the silliest post ever - don't go comparing him/her to Pol Pot et al FFS !

KS isn't particularly 'extreme' just someone who possesses strong convictions the principal one being that total committment to christ will bring forgiveness and salvation - failure to respect the teachings of Christ will not save your soul - ok, the way i'm going my soul will rot in hell, so be it - that's my choice, though I can be saved if I go back to believing in God etc

you can either agree with KS or not - that's your right thanks to us living in an environment where freedom of speech and thought prevails, hence this forum

Dignified must mean something different where you live because I can't see anything at all dignified about a poor man being effectively forced to refuse treatment for pneumonia and starve himself to death to escape his nightmare.

I can't for the life of me understand what is the least bit Christian about denying a human being the relief from an existence when we would brand someone as cruel and inhumane for doing the same to a cat or a dog.

Kirkstaller, you believe that god created adam and eve knowing full well that they and every single one of their ancestors would fail to live in accordance with the laws he created. Then because they failed to live up to his laws (as he 100% knew would happen) they would have to be punished (for eternity). Have i got you're views right?

1) If so, why didnt he create humans intelligent enough to be able to see the big picture such that at least 1 person in the entire history of the human race would be able to live up to his laws?

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God apparently either inspired the authors of the bible or actuaclly wrote it himself, in doing so he knew for a fact that (according to you) the majority of the people who read the bible would fundamentally misunderstand enough of it that they would be doomed to eternal punishment.

2) Why didnt he write it (or ensure it was written in such a way) that it wasn't misunderstood by the vast majority of the people who read it? Was he unable to? Or was he not concerned enough about human suffering to bother to do so?
p.s. you cant blame this on humans being intrisically too unintelligent to understand it, because you believe you understood it well enough to ensure passage to heaven.

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3)
a) Do you thus accept it is possible that you are in some instances mistaken about god's intentions and god's will and thus about some of the assertions you make about god?
b) If you do not accept a) then do you agree that you can no longer use the 'argument' stated in 3) because you obviously feel capable of understanding with 100% certainty the wishes of god.
c) If you do accept a), do you also accept that maybe god approves of euthanasia in cases such as Tony Nicklinson?

Kirstaller, i know you are being asked a lot of question in this thread, but can you please try to answer these fairly simple questions for me. If you're busy at least answer 3 as it is on topic.

Why does a god with a master plan allow so many different versions of Faith ?

Not just slightly different, but polar opposite different, so different that some of them don't even follow the same god ?

I'll say it again, its a rubbish master plan if he's relying on individuals like you to do his selling, why doesn't he just enter everyones life like he did yours and then we'd all buy the goods ?