Exactly what I was thinking. They have to get to a point where no actually means something (legally it’s no deal), and vote with that in mind.

Can’t believe Soubry offered Boles a place in TIG after he left the tories for failing to compromise. TIG voted against the two outcomes that was put to them

Turns out that TIG, the alternative to party politics, who have talked endlessly about changing politics, actually just want everything to stay the same; who knew?

So - in answer to the question posed way back at the inception of this thread - Brexit Anyone? It would seem the answer is no.

We may as well do away with democracy.

They've done way with it in the USA, well almost...……… and our lot have lost the plot.
Maybe we need some sort of state rule, like China or Russia

Perhaps we should vote on it?

My biggest concern is if we have a GE we will end up with a Labour Government that wil spend,spend,spend.

If you are happy with the amounts spent on Health, education, public transport, environment, social services go knock one out.

If we have a GE I fear it would just return a hung parliament with the same divisions as exist now.

Brexit has divided the Cabinet, the Government, Parliament and the country. Right down the middle. So much that any course of action is likely to anger a significant minority and thus increase division no matter what course is taken.

What a great idea it was to have that referendum...

Agreed.
Although Labour are now just ahead in the opinion polls, it doesn't translate to anywhere near a large enough overall majority to get their own vision of Brexit through Parliament, which will still leave the country in limbo.

Brexit could rumble on for years. Oh joy

See - I never even mentioned it.

The 30 year internecine battle over Europe within the Tory Party has been projected on to the wider stage, and proved ruinous; the only solution now is a long extension and a GE - the parliamentary maths has to be changed somehow.

That increasingly has the feel of inevitability to it.

I suppose a Farage-led hard Brexit party could disrupt things. More by who they take votes from rather than winning loads of seats - though they might well win a fair few, with how things have gone. On the other side, if people remember they exist, the Lib Dems could pick up votes from hard remainers - that petition suggests there are more than I imagined.

Could the Tories even hold together around one manifesto plan on Brexit?

And I think there’s a real chance at least 1 EU country will want to rip the sticking plaster off. The idea of Brexit poisoning elections and political discourse in Europe any longer has got to be massively unappealing.

The UK pays in the third highest amount and that’s including the rebate.

The amount we pay in is equivalent to the 9 lowest paying countries.

We get back less than what we pay in, whereas some countries like Bulgaria get a massive amount back for the little they put in.

Once we leave, the financial burden falls on the shoulders of France and Germany, they are s***ing themselves and this will lead to the breakup of the EU as Germans won’t be happy once they have to pay more.

We hold all the power, we should leave under WTO rules and stop all this messing about. IMO the EU are trying to screw us so hard that our politicians, media and public are soo scared about leaving that we don’t. We should use this as a motivational tool and leave without a deal, let them come to us once they’re ready. The German car makes will be breaking down the doors to make a deal, we just need to have faith.

You are David Davis and I claim my £5

I’ve already explained a bit on this thread why leaving without a deal is an extraordinarily bad idea. This is from my direct involvement in planning for it in the NHS over the past 3 months rather than reading something on social media.

People that advocate no deal never seem to have any understanding of what it actually means. I have an understanding of how it would affect the NHS and it isn’t good. It’s not just a case of toughing out a few weeks or months either, the effects linger on for years and years.

We must sign up to a deal.

When will people get it through their thick skulls that there is no form of Brexit that is better than what we have now? Whatever people were told, or what they thought they voted for, is demonstrably undeliverable - it was a false prospectus - and whilst I can see that is frustrating, the blame for that should sit squarely with the people who told those lies in the first place. It seems rather sad that the only people with the bottle to say that, are EU officials.