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On the flipside - Trump has effectively destroyed the Republican Party. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Mugwump "What withdrawal are we talking about? The last time I checked the number of US military withdrawals was offset by a (VAST) increase in mercenaries who perform pretty much the same task without having to keep pesky records.

As for the concept of "political correctness" - it's just another way of dividing people.

It reminds me of the seventies and eighties when the women's movement was threatening to make some serious political inroads (remember the Nuclear Freeze?). Then - purely by COINCIDENCE - came the issue of abortion which set them at each other's throats and completely neutralised their effectiveness as a political force.'"


As an addendum to the above - I think people should be very cautious before getting themselves wrapped up with activist movements. I mean, on the whole I am in favour of grass roots activism because it really is the only way you are ever likely to get real change.

Whilst politicians and such usually get all the credit for legislative change (on issues such as slavery, the rights of children, Health & Safety in the workplace etc.) the truth is NONE of these decisions were driven by politicians.

They literally had to be FORCED kicking and screaming into action by organised groups of outraged citizens.

HOWEVER, you need to exercise caution when people appear seemingly out of the blue espousing this or that message. Where did these people come from? How did they arrive at their position?

I say this because many people were shocked to discover that the leader of the feminist movement in the United States, Gloria Steinem, who emerged in the sixties advocating a radical manifesto which literally had folk tearing out each other's throats was forced to admit that she was actually rlon the payroll of the Central Intelligence Agency!rl

As stated, the best indicator that a particular form of activism is fishy is how it is treated by the media. Campaigners who challenge the status quo are usually starved of air time - not least because they harm the interests of sponsors.

Which is why you should be VERY careful when people such as Julian Assange & Edward Snowden, who from the outset were given front-page headline attention, emerge seemingly out-of-the-blue. Had either attempted to publish information which was as explosive as they claimed my bet is they would have run into some very serious (and potentially injurious) consequences.

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Nope, it is alive and well

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Quote: Mugwump "As an addendum to the above - I think people should be very cautious before getting themselves wrapped up with activist movements. I mean, on the whole I am in favour of grass roots activism because it really is the only way you are ever likely to get real change.

Whilst politicians and such usually get all the credit for legislative change (on issues such as slavery, the rights of children, Health & Safety in the workplace etc.) the truth is NONE of these decisions were driven by politicians.

They literally had to be FORCED kicking and screaming into action by organised groups of outraged citizens.

HOWEVER, you need to exercise caution when people appear seemingly out of the blue espousing this or that message. Where did these people come from? How did they arrive at their position?

I say this because many people were shocked to discover that the leader of the feminist movement in the United States, Gloria Steinem, who emerged in the sixties advocating a radical manifesto which literally had folk tearing out each other's throats was forced to admit that she was actually rlon the payroll of the Central Intelligence Agency!rl

As stated, the best indicator that a particular form of activism is fishy is how it is treated by the media. Campaigners who challenge the status quo are usually starved of air time - not least because they harm the interests of sponsors.

Which is why you should be VERY careful when people such as Julian Assange & Edward Snowden, who from the outset were given front-page headline attention, emerge seemingly out-of-the-blue. Had either attempted to publish information which was as explosive as they claimed my bet is they would have run into some very serious (and potentially injurious) consequences.'"


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Logged in just to say how refreshing it is for someone to actually know his stuff. And has clearly been reading alternative political stuff as opposed to the mainstream claptrap(lies) most succumb to these days.

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Quote: Mugwump "As an addendum to the above - I think people should be very cautious before getting themselves wrapped up with activist movements. I mean, on the whole I am in favour of grass roots activism because it really is the only way you are ever likely to get real change.

Whilst politicians and such usually get all the credit for legislative change (on issues such as slavery, the rights of children, Health & Safety in the workplace etc.) the truth is NONE of these decisions were driven by politicians.

They literally had to be FORCED kicking and screaming into action by organised groups of outraged citizens.

HOWEVER, you need to exercise caution when people appear seemingly out of the blue espousing this or that message. Where did these people come from? How did they arrive at their position?

I say this because many people were shocked to discover that the leader of the feminist movement in the United States, Gloria Steinem, who emerged in the sixties advocating a radical manifesto which literally had folk tearing out each other's throats was forced to admit that she was actually rlon the payroll of the Central Intelligence Agency!rl

As stated, the best indicator that a particular form of activism is fishy is how it is treated by the media. Campaigners who challenge the status quo are usually starved of air time - not least because they harm the interests of sponsors.

Which is why you should be VERY careful when people such as Julian Assange & Edward Snowden, who from the outset were given front-page headline attention, emerge seemingly out-of-the-blue. Had either attempted to publish information which was as explosive as they claimed my bet is they would have run into some very serious (and potentially injurious) consequences.'"

Any links to facts, as opposed to opinion pieces?

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I ask again are we seeing the end of PC in the Western world? Trump has signed off on the wall building and blocking immigration from 6 Muslim countries. Brexit has been voted on. Stoke, a safe Labour seat for years, looks likely to be a big margin win for UKIP. Seems the inevitable backlash against brainwashing has begun. In Britain the Labour Party has consistently sided against the instincts of its core voters and created a vacuum that is being filled by what may turn out to be a hard right party (UKIP). When Germany follows the lead they will inevitably take things too far. Things could get nasty soon. As I have argued on here for years - the inevitable result of feeble-minded liberal-left thinking and politics.

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Quote: Mugwump "On the flipside - Trump has effectively destroyed the Republican Party.
You were saying...

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Quote: Dally " Seems the inevitable backlash against brainwashing has begun. '"


You think? It looks like brainwashing is on a massive increase to me.

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Quote: Dally "I ask again are we seeing the end of PC in the Western world? Trump has signed off on the wall building and blocking immigration from 6 Muslim countries. Brexit has been voted on. Stoke, a safe Labour seat for years, looks likely to be a big margin win for UKIP. Seems the inevitable backlash against brainwashing has begun. In Britain the Labour Party has consistently sided against the instincts of its core voters and created a vacuum that is being filled by what may turn out to be a hard right party (UKIP). When Germany follows the lead they will inevitably take things too far. Things could get nasty soon. As I have argued on here for years - the inevitable result of feeble-minded liberal-left thinking and politics.'"


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Quote: Dally "I ask again are we seeing the end of PC in the Western world? Trump has signed off on the wall building and blocking immigration from 6 Muslim countries. Brexit has been voted on. Stoke, a safe Labour seat for years, looks likely to be a big margin win for UKIP. Seems the inevitable backlash against brainwashing has begun. In Britain the Labour Party has consistently sided against the instincts of its core voters and created a vacuum that is being filled by what may turn out to be a hard right party (UKIP). When Germany follows the lead they will inevitably take things too far. Things could get nasty soon. As I have argued on here for years - the inevitable result of feeble-minded liberal-left thinking and politics.'"


So, for all those years that you have argued, what would you have done differently ?
Ban free speech, free movement, cherry pick the religions that fit with your less than politically correct world, allow people to marginalise and persecute minority groups.
Come on, if you knew so much, perhaps you should share your wisdom.

I will help you with restricting mass population movement but, the rest is up to you.

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Action been taken in the Texas Supreme Court to try to declare the extending of benefits for married employees by Houston City to gay married couples as illegal. If successful could potentially lead to end of legal gay marriage on the USA.

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Declare them what? Your post doesn't make sense.

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It absolutely defeats me why non-gay people can have any reasonable basis on which to object to gay marriage. If you don't like gay marriage - don't marry a gay person, then get on with your life. What's the issue?!

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Quote: bren2k "It absolutely defeats me why non-gay people can have any reasonable basis on which to object to gay marriage. If you don't like gay marriage - don't marry a gay person, then get on with your life. What's the issue?!'"


Indeed, life without prejudice would be a marvelous thing.

It (prejudice) usually stems form personal insecurity and yet, so many people are all too quick to want to deny equal rights to others who dont share their opinions and may have had a different up bringing.

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