You are either a celebrity, subject to the public demands, or you are not.

These people make millions by "being seen", it isn't their choice as to what the audience do, IMHO.

If the don't like it, stop performing.

I'm not sure Prince considers himself a "celebrity" and Kate Bush is pretty reclusive, but would being photographed walking down the street be acceptable if you asked someone not to do it, just because you're well known?

You're an old basstard yourself though, yet you are displaying in that response the sort of ignorant and selfish attitude that is regrettable - at ANY age.

I would suggest it is better for people to respect other people before deciding whether it is fair to "do as they wish". Also "let" is the wrong word, as I am suggesting that people exercise their own self-control, not that they be physically prevented from recording.

Second, - and this may surprise you - I am not Kate Bush. It is she (admittedly over 50) who politely asked people to choose to participate rather than film. To reasonably respect her wishes seems polite to me, if I was attending. To say "fsck you Bush, I am paying for a ticket and so I will do whatever the fsck I like" is an unattractive and regrettable attitude, to me. If not to you.


Great straw man. But I don't think my opinion that it is preferrable not to be rude, selfish or inconsiderate is actually capable of being wrong. Do you? I would also say that my opinion you will get much more from an event if you immerse yourself in it, rather than being a cameraman, is capable of much sensible counter-argument either, nor that the thousands of shaky phone recordings are in fact largely pointless.

In the case in point, Kate Bush - whose gig it is - is entitled to the opinion she expressed. As is Roger Daltrey. I have great respect for both of their opinions on this issue.

But the way she expressed her point is from the same angle as me: I am asking people to THINK about it - they probably don't really GET the point. I don't see there is anything wrong in therefore making the point. It would be ironic if the recording masses said to Kate Bush, "Fsck you, I'm gonna film it on my phone, if you don't like it, don't attend" - and she didn't attend.

Guilty as charged.



Yep, you've seen all of those vids of mine haven't you, well that will make two of us because no-one else is in the slightest bit interested.

My £1000 (in the late 1990s) Sony video camera still sits in its expensive case with its sorry collection of tapes gathering dust at the back of the wardrobe, its seen about 20 hours of use and one day will appear in a museum "as new" - passing fad that passed as quick as it arrived in the days when I had more money than sense.

I don't see much relevance in the age aspect. In my experience people of a wide span of ages are hypnotised by the need to record events rather than take part in them.

In the fifties a whole bunch of music hall performers couldn't make the transition to TV because they only had one act, and it stayed fresh for their audiences because they were always on the road moving from town to town. It could be a couple of years before they swung by the same town again. But on TV once it's been on Opportunity Knocks everyone's seen it and your career is over.

Now say you're a comedian. You spent months writing your act. It's not your first one, you've done this often before and will do it many times again, but it takes time to produce and get it how you want it. You're now touring it. You've done one date. Your entire act is now online.

Which is fine if you're Kate Bush on a greatest hits tour, but...

I actually avoid going on nights out with certain friends because they spend most of their time chatting to people on their phones rather than conversating with the people they have gone out with.

At one of the most recent gigs I was at there was a girl filming bits of it on her iPad. I could have happily smashed it over her head.

why?

because you don't have an IPad?

she has paid to be there, I get annoyed by old people shuffling around supermarkets, but I don't push them out of the way

THE WORLD CHANGES, either get on, or stop participating.

... and yet, she's not there, she's a bystander, recording it instead of experiencing it, without realising.



Now that doesn't surprise me one little bit. How very dare "old people" with some mobility restriction even momentarily inconvenience such a superior human. It is indeed very benevolent of you to deign not to push them aside, in spite of their total lack of consideration in continuing to exist despite having got slow and old, but then pushing them could be dangerous as it could knock you off your high horse.

Paid to be there but still insisted on half heartedly watching the gig while half heartedly filming a multiple number of random half minute clips while waving a screen in the air.

I have a smart phone but chose to keep it in my pocket to enjoy the gig as it happened.

I could have pi$$ed up her back if I'd wanted to, as you say, I paid to be there.

That's a particularly stupid view. It assumes that all change is positive. Smoking became widespread among the population. Your view point would be don't challenge that as it's just how the world is.

For me, it's all about how things affect other people around you. If you want to film a gig/concert etc whatever that's up to you. I don't see the attraction to it to be honest, bar a short clip or a couple of pictures as memories of the event, but if you want to that's up to you. However whatever you do should have in mind other people. Does your filming of the event affect them?
If you're stood directly behind someone holding an IPad or even just a phone above their head the whole time it can be off-putting and affect your enjoyment of the event, not just the physical object in your sight line but they're usually lit in someway whilst recording too.

For me, recording an event in that manner shows a selfishness and lack of respect for other people around you who've also paid the same as you to watch the same event.

Also, when the artist, in this case, hasn't banned and strictly enforced a policy but has just politely asked people to do something that's so minor as to be unremarkable, it would seem to only be polite to comply.