So are you suggesting that people who hold religious beliefs should be barred from public office and disenfrachised? Religion is a way of looking at the world and the relationship between people, the world and other people. If somebody holds religious beliefs it would be very difficult if not impossible for those beliefs not to influence their political views. Therefore there is possible way to divorce religion from politics without banning people who hold religious views from participating in our democratic system.

If you believe that this should be the case, then I would like to know why the opinions of a non-religious person are inherently superior to those of a religious person? Should a person really be disenfranchised just because they oppose the killing of children or military action abroad for example. There is no evidence that the political views of the non-religious are any better than those of the religious. Monotheistic religious beliefs have led to the Inquisition, Crusades and Jihand for sure. But then atheist beliefs have led to the Holocaust, World War 2, the Great Terror, the Gulag, the Cultural Revolution.

The Nazis were not atheist – including Hitler. And anti-semitism has long had a basis in ideas of Jews as 'Christ killers' – including in pre-war Germany.

Christ the Jew, killed by Jews, surprised the Jewish are not anti semitic

Surely politics concerns citizens (ie people)? Religion is also about people and Christianity, inter alia, arguably about decency and treating fellow citizens as one would to be treated as one would like to be treated oneself? I therefore believe that the Christian clergy should "interfere in politics" indeed I would suggest they would not be acting responsibly and in a Christian way if they didn't stand up for the poor and dispossesed. They should do so more vociferously in my opinion.

One could argue that, given that the Semitic peoples are not just those descended from the Hebrew tribes, but also include those we know as the Palestinians, some are.

Hitler did not hold religious views. He despised Christianity as a Jewish faith and was a believer in astrology and to some extent witchcraft - neither of which are religious beliefs.

German anti-semitism was not based on Jews as Christ killers. It was based on race, not faith, stemming from fashionable scientific theories of social darwinism, eugenics and racial classifications. The Jews were not sent to the gas chambers because they killed Christ, they were sent because they were believed to be racially inferior and therefore a burden on and a threat to the progress of the supposed aryan master race.

I think you'll find that witchcraft has long been referred to as 'The Old Religion'.

As accurate as ever Titan?

Time you changed that to 'Nonentity'.

Witchcraft does not demonstrate a coherent belief structure, encompassing socio-political matters for the individual and society, ed around a supernatural entity. It is just mumbo jumbo nonsense for the deranged and stupid.

Unlike, say, Scientology, Mormons, Jehovahs Witnesses etc.

All religion is just hokum and delusion. All of it. 100%. I am increasingly baffled how otherwise seemingly intelligent people do not see it for the mumbo jumbo nonsense it all so patently is.

You can say that because you have been brought up in a country heavily influenced by religion. You have no conception of what an irreligious society would be like. You could try North Korea - that may give you an insight.

You make it too easy.

[url=http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htmHitler the Christian[/url. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_HitlerHitler's religious views[/url. His 'rupture' with traditional, institutional Christianity is only considered to have been in about 1937, but he continued to detest atheism.



And part of the age-old basis for the hatred of Jewish people is the idea of the 'Christ killers' (which, of course, is utter sphericals, not just because Jesus himself was also a Jew, but also because, without the crucifixion, Christianity would not exist and there would be no salvation etc).

There were other aspects to the rise of anti-semitism in Germany at the time – one being a belief that it had been wealthy Jews/Zionists who had persuaded the US to enter WWI, thus changing the course of that conflict. But for many Germans within the churches etc, the traditional idea of Jewish people was an element of what allowed a belief in the legitimacy of anti-semitism.

Do you and Titan still support the idea of religion for the plebs – but not yourselves, of course?