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Been in Manchester this week and they have dinnor
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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "...and a pudding (sorry - "dessert"icon_wink.gif... '"

This forum has discussed this before.
Definitely pudding ... seeing as dessert is the fruit and suchlke that comes after the pudding.

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Quote: El Barbudo "This forum has discussed this before.
Definitely pudding ... seeing as dessert is the fruit and suchlke that comes after the pudding.'"


I'm confused. Surely the fruit is IN the pudding, under the crumble and surrounded by the custard? What else is it for?

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Its Brekkie, Dinner and Tea.

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Quote: wigan_rlfc "Its Brekkie, Dinner and Tea.'"


Eric Pickles has 'em all at breakfast, dinner and tea (probably supper for that matter too)

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Dinner = Main meal of day,
so

Mon - Fri => Dinner in the evening, Lunch during day
Sat/Sun => Dinner during Day => Tea in the evening.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Nope. Every school in the country that provides meals provides "school dinners". I've never heard of one providing "school lunches"'"

And yet the midday break is the lunch break. And the time at which school dinners are eaten is referred to as lunchtime.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "The kids that paid have always taken their dinner money to school, never their lunch money.'"

Both terms are used. The latter is now the more common judging by my kids and their friends.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "I don't think it is dinner in any other country as they speak different languages so whatever the word is, "dinner" would not be it. Unless you count American "English", which I don't really, and they I think do or did have a school lunch program, but the cursed Americans are responsible for most of the abominations to the mother tongue, and this confusion is probably just one more confusion-creating example.'"

You're aware that foreign languages get translated into English, yes? Guess what the English translation for the midday meal is.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "The origins of "lunch" are clearly in the English invention of "luncheon", and that was traditionally a light "in-between" meal, originally taken by ladies, and certainly no sort of a main meal.'"

Words and their usage change over time. The question asked was not about the origin of the word, but about usage.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "A school dinner has always traditionally been a 3 course meal, certainly no less than a hot main course, and a pudding (sorry - "dessert"icon_wink.gif. If at dinnertime someone (including schoolkids) are not having dinner (eg going on a school trip) they may well take a "packed lunch". That may be like a sandwich, crisps,a biscuit or an apple, maybe a carton of juice, basically light and portable snack food. Everyone knows what (in the context of food) a "lunchbox" is.'"

Informative and yet utterly irrelevant.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Schoolchildren might have dinner while at school, but once they start work, they might just have lunch ie a sandwich or a pasty or something, so it is no longer dinner, because it's not a "dinner". Certainly in Yorkshire, though, your big meal in the evening is your "tea", which is a complete change from what began life as "afternoon tea". So a typical Yorkshireman may have a breakfast early doors, and is likely to use "me dinner" interchangeably with "me lunch", but he will always be off home for 'is tea - and never off home for 'is dinner unless at dinnertime.'"

Did you miss the bit about the M62 corridor?

And outside of that corridor employees have a lunch break, which at larger companies often incorporates hot meals of more than one course.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "If I say I'll meet you "at dinnertime" - when would you expect me to arrive?'"

Late evening. As would my colleagues in Europe. And the USA. Granted I have no direct experience further afield.

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Quote: Neil HFC "Dinner
That's pretty widely applicable, but how often have you seen a pub or restaurant advertise a Sunday Dinner?

Come to that, how often have you seen [iany[/i eatery offer a midday 'Dinner Menu'? icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Certainly in Yorkshire, though, your big meal in the evening is your "tea", which is a complete change from what began life as "afternoon tea". So a typical Yorkshireman may have a breakfast early doors, and is likely to use "me dinner" interchangeably with "me lunch", but he will always be off home for 'is tea - and never off home for 'is dinner unless at dinnertime.'"

Was pretty much the same when I lived in North Devon, so I don't think it is limited to the M62 corridor.

Anyone else familiar with the term "putting-up"? In my family this was always referred to as the packed lunch as well as the act of making the packed lunchany[/i eatery offer a midday 'Dinner Menu'? We always had Sunday dinner at about 2 0'clock on a Sunday afternoon, same with Christmas dinner.

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Quote: LF13 "

We always had Sunday dinner at about 2 0'clock on a Sunday afternoon, same with Christmas dinner.'"



2 o'clock was pretty much universal I think as the Sunday pub opening times were 12noon 'till 2pm in the good old days when men (and their sons) went to the pub and the woman stayed in the house and cooked for them, and woe betide her if it wasn't on the table at 2.15 when they walked in the house. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Kosh "That's pretty widely applicable, but how often have you seen a pub or restaurant advertise a Sunday Dinner?
Come to that, how often have you seen [iany[/i eatery offer a midday 'Dinner Menu'? Ah, yes ... but we must remember that eateries are not the best source of correct language (Barbudo's Menu Rule states that all menus contain at least one spelling mostake, for example), plus they like to use obscure words wherever possible ... even if they don't know what they mean (I saw pithivier on a menu once and asked what it was and the waiter had to go away and ask ... even then, it was wrong), so I don't think we should use them as exemplars of terminology.
If we did, we wouldn't say "fried" we'd say "pan fried" ... and just ask Cod'ead about Bass.

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Quote: LF13 "Was pretty much the same when I lived in North Devon, so I don't think it is limited to the M62 corridor.

Anyone else familiar with the term "putting-up"? In my family this was always referred to as the packed lunch as well as the act of making the packed lunch

Yes, "Snap" was put up ... as in "I'm putting his snap up".

But it wouldn't have been "Have you got your putting-up?" in my experience, rather it would have been "Have you got your put-up?"... but that could be a small regional variation.

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Quote: El Barbudo "If we did, we wouldn't say "fried" we'd say "pan fried" ... and just ask Cod'ead about Bass.'"

Pan-fried.... I'm always pleased to know it's been fried in a pan, not held in the hand over a roaring flame.
What the frick else was it going to be fried in ffs? The wreck of the QE2?

See also 'oven roasted'. Yeah, that's how you roast things - in an effin oven. Not in a small Japanese hatchback.

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Quote: Kosh "
You're aware that foreign languages get translated into English, yes? Guess what the English translation for the midday meal is.
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Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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