Oh FFS don't start with polls again.

What an earth are you on about? Have you read anything I have just posted?

He even said words to the effect of 'I haven't disputed it'. I'll find his exact quote if you like really insist I trawl through old posts.

Or 3. They hate to see a welfare system that is in its third generation of supporting the weakest, most disadvantaged, the disabled, the sick and those fallen on hard times, ruined and torn asunder by political dogma and without opposition, worse still being justified by highlighting the extremes of bad use of welfare in order to justify punishing the vast majority for having the audacity to ask for help, its the sign of a truly civilised country when assistance is available to all - social help does not automatically equate to socialism and its not something to be politically afraid of as if your party should not support it, cutting social assistance whilst at the same time making private company profits from the cutting is despicable, truly despicable.

I'm on about you posting stuff without any back up. Again. I read exactly what you posted too

In fact the vast majority if people don't agree with welfare reform in the way it is happening. There, I've done it too

Nothing is being 'torn asunder' so maybe you should calm it with the sensationalist propaganda that you so often accuse me of.

Once again your post seems to suggest that I and other are opposed to the welfare state period. "its the sign of a truly civilised country when assistance is available to all". Not the case.

Given that the "Benefit Cap" is now being rolled out to all local authorities with the much-touted figure of £26k in total per annum, how long will it be before a family on the maximum figure suffer a death in that family group and then realise that the Bereavement Allowance is also included in that maximum figure and you won't be granted it ?

As well as having eager hacks sharpening their pencils for the first housing evictions under the "bedroom tax" rules, they are going to be standing in line around mortuary doors soon waiting for the first unemployed single parent to not have the means to bury a child or parent.

I suppose its progress though...

You don't think that the rights of disabled people are being "torn asunder" ?

You don't think that housing benefit payment rules are being "torn asunder" with a completely out-of-the-blue never-even-hinted-at rule on the number of spare bedrooms and subsequent penalties for having one or for not following government guidance on which of your children should be sleeping in which room ?

You don't think that the long established rules on which benefits and how much you can claim are being "torn asunder" by a randomly placed Benefits Cap which effectively draws a red pen through years worth of benefits legislation saying "I know we carefully calculated this before but now we're just paying you this random figure instead".




Not the case ?

You don't think that a civilised country should help its disadvantaged ?

At all, or just a bit, or just enough so that they don't storm the suburbs or beg on the streets outside your office, or just die inconveniently in your way ?


What counts as a civilised country in your mind ?

Quote: cod'ead "No it doesn't. Fraser Nelson has never been nice, he's never had a humane thing to say about anyone who is less able or advantaged than himself. He is the archetypal 'right-wing nutjob' I referred to. As for my opinion on tories, look no further than my sig. I reckon when Kosh sees what you've written, you'll be in for a barrel-load'" Not really. I haven't misquoted him. He said on Sat April 6th 2013 at 5.42 pm. "I didn't even contest the point about majority support - it's not exactly fresh information after all" viewtopic.php?f=11&t=547815&tsmp=1371073622&start=110 Exactly the opposite of what Chris was bleating on about.

Quote: cod'ead "No it doesn't. Fraser Nelson has never been nice, he's never had a humane thing to say about anyone who is less able or advantaged than himself. He is the archetypal 'right-wing nutjob' I referred to. As for my opinion on tories, look no further than my sig. I reckon when Kosh sees what you've written, you'll be in for a barrel-load'" Not really. I haven't misquoted him. He said on Sat April 6th 2013 at 5.42 pm. "I didn't even contest the point about majority support - it's not exactly fresh information after all" viewtopic.php?f=11&t=547815&tsmp=1371073622&start=110 Exactly the opposite of what Chris was bleating on about.

No and No.



My grammar may have made the post ambiguous but I've no doubt you know I support a welfare state so that part of your post isn't applicable to me.

OK, if we accept you support a welfare state and, as you've already allude to, you support a finite cap on benefits. Who do you suggest should lose out?

What do you suggest should happen when housing benefit does not cover the cost of housing? Do you simply move the tenant to a cheaper area? Do you tell the landlord that he'll have to accept a lower rent? Or do you sit on your hands and wait for the inevitable eviction and pass the problem from the DWP to the Local Authority? Perhaps you have another solution?

3. Some people on this forum actually claim benefits and know the system and how it works and whats happening inside out. I have paid my taxes all my working life. I had three jobs in the months leading upto my diagnosis, one full time and two part time jobs (part time jobs on a weekend). I paid 20% tax on my main, full time job and 25% tax on each of my part time weekend jobs. I became ill. I couldn't work. I had to give up 3 jobs I loved, one working at the Boulevard, getting to work AND watch my team. I have kept my end of the bargain paying my taxes, I expect any government to keep theirs. Unfortunately no one told Mr Cameron this and he has done everything in his power, along with his cronies, IDS, Grayling, Miller, McVey to pillory me at every turn. I have been made out to be a liar along with my consultants, GP's, etc, I have been told I'm a skiver, I should be at work, I've been told that because Mr HWS earns more than £7.5k a year he has to support me making me feel worthless to society, which has taken me a long time to realise that I'm not.

"First they came......................"

This one has become top of my hit-list at present.
They keep wheeling the annoying irritating bitch out on BBC News for interview.
She seems to be Tory centrals new female face after sidelining the equally nauseating Baroness.

She should stick to being the pretty face of TV presenting because she knows bugger all about disabilities or illness. She first started on Childrens TV. Thats about her level.