in the worlds of Frank Turner:

Brothers and sisters, have you heard the news?
The storm has lifted and there’s nothing to lose,
So swap your confirmation for your dancing shoes,
Because there never was no God.

Step out of the darkness and onto the streets,
Forget about the fast, let’s have a carnival feast!
Raise up your lowered head and hear the liberation beat,
Because there never was no God.

No cowering in the dark before some overbearing priest,
No waiting till we die until we restitute the meek.
No blaming all our failings on imaginary beasts,
Because there never was no God.

No fighting over land your distant fathers told you of,
No spilling blood for those who never spread a drop of love.
No finger pointing justified by phantoms up above,
Because there never was no God.

I know you’re scared of dying man, and I am too,
But just pretending it’s not happening isn’t going to see us through.
If we accept that there’s an endgame and we haven’t got much time,
Then in the here and now we can try and do things right.

We’d be our own salvation army and together we’d believe
In all the wondrous things that mere mortals can achieve.

I’ve known beauty in the stillness of cathedrals in the day,
I’ve sung “Glory Hallelujah, won’t you wash my sins away!”
But now we’re singing my refrain and this is what I say:
I say there never was no God.

There is no God, so clap your hands together.
There is no God, no heaven and no hell.
There is no God, we’re all in this together.
There is no God, so ring that victory bell.

rlSeems Kirkstaller has much in common with Richard Carvathrl

You have to get right down near the bottom before you reach the gist of his argument but it'll come as no surprise when you read"Above all, we can pray for Tony and we can introduce him to Jesus – the Suffering Servant, the Prince of Peace, the King of Kings, Jesus our Healer, Jesus our Saviour. Jesus binds up the broken-hearted; He restores souls; He transforms minds; He raises the dead. Jesus gives peace and joy despite circumstances."[/i

Unsurprisingly, Carvath was awarded yesterday's "C**t of the Day"

No, I'm interested in barracading it shut with you all inside and raising it to the ground, you needn't worry, either your god will strike me down in some way before I commit the act, or he'll arrange some spectacular rescue, or you'll be reunited in eternal peace, it's just win win win with that god of yours.

You disgust me more than anyone, I never ever thought I would hold religious belief in such contempt, but you are worse than a racist, a homophobe, a sexist or a facist, because they all appear to have the problem of not being very intelligent, you "sir" are just a waste of human life.

I’m sorry you feel that way.

I’d noticed the double negatives too.

[iJesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one aint not coming to the Father except through me"[/i

I have put this piece of utter human garbage on my ignore list, as I refuse to waste a second more of my life in reading the self-righteous, sexist, judgmental, offensive drivel that this fundamentalist zealot moron glibly spouts. There would be more point in trying to debate with a pile of steaming dog, as whilst there would be an equal chance of obtaining a sensible response, it would be a lot less unpleasant.

A "heaven" containing offensive scumbags like him, and his version of "god" is about as near to a definition of "hell" as I can think of.

But she is still orders of magnitude smarter than you, probably a lot less offensive too.

He doesn't respond to anything that he can't understand, or anything that doesn't fit with his twisted, extremist views!

It never ceases to amaze me that when debating with people who hold a certain faith or religion normally reasonable and intelligent people who do not share that faith display such anger and bile.

I have to say I disagree entirely with Kirkstaller but like to think I could articulate my responses better than descending to calling him "human garbage" or such like.

Normally reasoned intelligent posters have let themselves down badly on this thread.

I have not judged anyone.

He started it by insisting that I (and of course you) are definitely doomed to rot in hell. And he knows. (Well, he's personally met jesus, so he should). Given what he believes hell to be, what has anyone said which is more bilious a slur than that?

I would suspect that the vast majority of people I know are religious, whether that be Christian, Muslim or whatever, yet I find them to be nice people. The reaction to kirkstaller is pretty unique and IMHO understandable, given the nasty stuff he comes out with. But each to his own.

rlWestboro?rl

I can only speak for myself here, but I have no qualms whatsoever about calling someone a sanctimonious, heartless little sh[ii[/it when they appear to revel in the 'natural' death of a poor sod who spent the last 7 years trapped in a horrific situation which none of us can even contemplate - a situation the little sh[ii[/it in question would have happily seen extended indefinitely. No qualms at all. This isn't 'faith' we're talking about, it's bat mental, vindictive bigotry.