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“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22 "It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21 A member of the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_755.jpg



Quote: bren2k "No arguments from me about the Mash Report - as I said, most of the comedy output is left wing and remain; which probably reflects the attitude of most people involved in art and entertainment.

I fail to see how anyone can label the BBC as pro-Remain; they are effectively stenographers for the Government of the day, and have probably played the biggest part in legitimising the odious nutjobs who sold Brexit to us in the first place, based on their ridiculous need to create 'balance' in every discussion. Not to mention that funny, posh, tousle-haired 'Boris' is largely a BBC creation.'"

And Nigel Lawson spouting his climate denying bollox on Radio 4, contradicting 95% of peer reviewed science, yet not being challenged on his views.

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Quote: tigertot "And Nigel Lawson spouting his climate denying bollox on Radio 4, contradicting 95% of peer reviewed science, yet not being challenged on his views.'"


Indeed - they've got significant form with this stuff - giving a platform to racists, far-right nutjobs, climate deniers and various contrarians, all in the name of balance; utterly ignoring the fact that in some instances, balance is not required.

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Quote: tigertot "That would include the BBC's Andrew Neil, Chairman of The Spectator. Neil has been widely seen as promoting a pro-Brexit line in his role as a key BBC political presenter and also been accused by journalist Carole Cadwalldr of breaching the BBC’s code by using his Twitter account to rubbish her vital investigative journalism into illegal activity by the Leave campaigns – journalism that recently won her the Orwell Prize.'"


I would say the likes of Marr, Maitlis, Urban, Humphries, Question Time, Newsnight - the list is a long one

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I would say the likes of Marr, Maitlis, Urban, Humphries, Question Time, Newsnight - the list is a long one'"

rlhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/17/bbc-leftwing-bias-non-existent-mythrl

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Quote: tigertot "That would include the BBC's Andrew Neil, Chairman of The Spectator. Neil has been widely seen as promoting a pro-Brexit line in his role as a key BBC political presenter and also been accused by journalist Carole Cadwalldr of breaching the BBC’s code by using his Twitter account to rubbish her vital investigative journalism into illegal activity by the Leave campaigns – journalism that recently won her the Orwell Prize.'"


I would say the likes of Marr, Maitlis, Urban, Humphries, Question Time, Newsnight - the list is a long one'"
rlhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/17/bbc-leftwing-bias-non-existent-mythrl'"

As we said before, Brexiteers don't like facts, ergo they don't like most of the media.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "As we said before, Brexiteers don't like facts, ergo they don't like most of the media.'"

Guardian, facts?

I admire how you stick to your guns, a bit like a toddler that has been chastised but still wants it's own way.

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“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22 "It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21 A member of the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_755.jpg



Quote: IR80 "Guardian, facts?

I admire how you stick to your guns, a bit like a toddler that has been chastised but still wants it's own way.'"

Try a counter argument. Put some opposing facts forward. There's plenty in there to dispute. Don't wait for someone with more balls than yourself then just agree with them.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "As we said before, Brexiteers don't like facts, ergo they don't like most of the media.'"


I mentioned an article by the Spectator and it was suggested that they were biased because the publication is owned by the Barclay Brothers and it didn't suit the remain agenda but a report by the left leaning remain-oriented Guardian should be seen as the truth - you can't have it both ways!!

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Never mind media bias, is Bojo going to break his duck and manage a "win" in the HoP on Saturday or, will he maintain his 100% record.
It's looking like his deal will be voted down.

And on the subject of the media, one aspect where there is definite bias, is the blanket coverage of the withes of the DUP and absolutely nothing whatsoever with the other "half" of the N. Ireland assembly.
I know that Sinn Fein dont take up their seats in Parliament but, I've yet to hear ANY comment from the media on the "other side" of the N. Irish population.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Never mind media bias, is Bojo going to break his duck and manage a "win" in the HoP on Saturday or, will he maintain his 100% record.
It's looking like his deal will be voted down.

And on the subject of the media, one aspect where there is definite bias, is the blanket coverage of the withes of the DUP and absolutely nothing whatsoever with the other "half" of the N. Ireland assembly.
I know that Sinn Fein dont take up their seats in Parliament but, I've yet to hear ANY comment from the media on the "other side" of the N. Irish population.'"


He has no chance in my view - he will get all the Tories except possibly Grieve - if the other side want the deal to go through then they need to put up and vote. The protestants are a minority in Ireland and sooner or later it will become one Catholic run state - the breeding numbers alone for tell the future.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "He has no chance in my view - he will get all the Tories except possibly Grieve - if the other side want the deal to go through then they need to put up and vote. The protestants are a minority in Ireland and sooner or later it will become one Catholic run state - the breeding numbers alone for tell the future.'"


When you say "all the Tories", are you including those who currently have had the whip removed.
Those 21 MP's who Boris (or Cummings) decided to "sack" would have been quite helpful now.
Maybe they will be "persuaded" to come back into the fold ?

Without them and the DUP, Boris hasn't got a hope in hell of getting his deal over the line - 0/7

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Quote: wrencat1873 "When you say "all the Tories", are you including those who currently have had the whip removed.
Those 21 MP's who Boris (or Cummings) decided to "sack" would have been quite helpful now.
Maybe they will be "persuaded" to come back into the fold ?

Without them and the DUP, Boris hasn't got a hope in hell of getting his deal over the line - 0/7'"


The 21 will come across the likes of Letwin have already said they will support the deal - he will can all the Tory support including the ERG but he needs 10 Labour MPs to support - not sure he has that yet. Plenty have shown a willing to defy Corbyn in the past - let's see.

If Labour block it it is suicide on their part.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "The 21 will come across the likes of Letwin have already said they will support the deal - he will can all the Tory support including the ERG but he needs 10 Labour MPs to support - not sure he has that yet. Plenty have shown a willing to defy Corbyn in the past - let's see.

If Labour block it it is suicide on their part.'"


If Labour allow it through, they're done for a few years - they have to find a way to prevent Boris's deal, either with a GE, which I believe at the moment hey would lose or, with a "peoples vote" which if it went against the government COULD benefit Labour. Having said that, there could be huge difficulties if there was and kind of "win" for "remain" - I predict a riot.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "If Labour allow it through, they're done for a few years - they have to find a way to prevent Boris's deal, either with a GE, which I believe at the moment hey would lose or, with a "peoples vote" which if it went against the government COULD benefit Labour. Having said that, there could be huge difficulties if there was and kind of "win" for "remain" - I predict a riot.'"


Labour are done as long as Lansman runs the party and he fronts it with his puppets Corbyn & McDonald - a further vote simply undermines the previous vote and there isn't a ground swell of public opinion demanding another vote - only remainers who hated losing the last time. I don't see a lot of leavers saying we got it wrong give us another go.

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The success of this vote depends on whether the nutter wing of the Tory party votes for it. those expelled members mostly probably will because they've always voted for Brexit, no matter what lies some believe.
I suspect it will get through with a bit of Labour support. The subsequent election will be fascinating. Johnson appears to think he'll win because he got it done. But once we get back onto domestic policies the Tory appeal to many working class Brexiteers may fall away. Although Labour have not exactly got an appealing leadership for them to return to.

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Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
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Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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