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Quote: Sal Paradise "What are these cost savings we couldn't achieve?'"


For example we'd find it cheaper to fund a GNSS system like Galileo as part of a group of nations than alone.

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Quote: Backwoodsman " Germany pays virtually nothing into nato, '"


Where is your evidence?

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Quote: tigertot "Where is your evidence?'"

Congratulations you have posted without resorting to insults. Hope springs eternal. In 2014 Nato countries agreed to spend 2 percent of gdp on nato. Despite Germany being one of the richest countries in the world they have failed that target. The USA is the largest contributor. Hence trump with some justification criticising Merkel. Evidence? Look on various web sites all the information tallies. Plus the economist magazine which is quite reliable. The situation may change if the so called European army come to fruition. Highly unlikely ,but you never know. Incidentally in the build up to the referendum the subject of a European army was mentioned by the leave campaign. The remain movement sneered at that topic, false news,scaremongering etc etc. Funny old world isn’t it.

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Quote: Backwardsman "Congratulations you have posted without resorting to insults. Hope springs eternal. In 2014 Nato countries agreed to spend 2 percent of gdp on nato. Despite Germany being one of the richest countries in the world they have failed that target. The USA is the largest contributor. Hence trump with some justification criticising Merkel. Evidence? Look on various web sites all the information tallies. Plus the economist magazine which is quite reliable. The situation may change if the so called European army come to fruition. Highly unlikely ,but you never know. Incidentally in the build up to the referendum the subject of a European army was mentioned by the leave campaign. The remain movement sneered at that topic, false news,scaremongering etc etc. Funny old world isn’t it.'"


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Quote: Backwardsman "Germany pays virtually nothing into nato,'"

It is one of the biggest contributors. You are talking rubbish.

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Quote: Bullseye "For example we'd find it cheaper to fund a GNSS system like Galileo as part of a group of nations than alone.'"

Are you for real - is that the best you can come up with - desperate.

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Quote: tigertot "You said;
It is one of the biggest contributors. You are talking rubbish.'"


How is it that Germany pays in less than the UK yet has a bigger GDP?

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Quote: wrencat1873 "It's quite clear that the EU will put its own interests first.
Of course they will still trade with the UK and the UK with them.
However, we will now become "competitors" and assuming that the current bill makes it through Parliament, how do you fancy our chances negotiating the actual "trade deal", are you starting to feel out numbered or small yet ?

We've already allowed the EU to lead us by the nose through the withdrawal agreement and to suddenly expect that we will get the better of them in the main event is just fantasy.

The reality will start to bite at some point when we finally see that Farage is indeed a self serving **** and his promises of a brighter future were just political rhetoric or FAKE NEWS.'"


I think the chances of doing a deal are pretty good - we import more from the EU than they do from us so I would suggest it is in their interest to do a deal.

The withdrawal agreement wont get through Parliament so either the EU soften their stance or we leave no deal - I know which I think the EU would rather go for. This will be a shock for Junker, Tusk etc. Its about time we stood up to be counted

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Are you for real - is that the best you can come up with - desperate.'"


A mere 10bn Euros. A drop in the ocean. We'll have a dozen.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "How is it that Germany pays in less than the UK yet has a bigger GDP?'"


Do they?
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pa ... ay-below-1

That wasn't the point. Backwardsman stated Germany pays virtually nothing.
Quote: Sal Paradise "How is it that Germany pays in less than the UK yet has a bigger GDP?'"


Do they?
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pa ... ay-below-1

That wasn't the point. Backwardsman stated Germany pays virtually nothing.


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Quote: Bullseye "A mere 10bn Euros. A drop in the ocean. We'll have a dozen.'"

Think you and tigertot might care to study our part in the Berlin air blockade. World war three was about to kick off. Thanks to the bravery and flying skills of several nations including our RAF pilots the crisis was averted. Maybe you would also like to study the Marshall plan that got Europe and Germany back on its feet after the Second World War. So in view of the help Germany has had since the Second World War, not too much to ask is for them to pay a bit more into the kitty.

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Quote: Backwardsman "In relation to gdp and the mountain of cash Germany has accumulated. Plus Putin has for many reasons is once again threatening the east European nations so maybe Germany will have to pay it’s fair share. A few months ago Cronus had a withering put down for several people on here. He quite rightly accused them of being more concerned for people not of this nation. No doubt I will be accused of being a little englander, nationalist etc etc. Meanwile In the real world a referendum took place, one side lost and one side one. Funny how people have forgotten that.'"


Did you deliberately lie about Germany paying virtually nothing or are you just ignorant?
I have more in common with my family in Germany & Eastern Europe than I have with the racists & xenophobes of the UK. I am European.

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so the deal they are looking at means an end to free movement and we dont have to pay into that EU buckets anymore

sounds good to me

lets face it, the whole referendum was in the main about immigration (also having our own laws and not paying ÂŁ350m a week to the EU)

strange how thats not being talked about now and all it seems to be about on the news is trade deals...... money men having their say/influence on the media again.

anyway lets see if it passes first, not looking likely which may end up us having a no deal!

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Quote: tigertot "Did you deliberately lie about Germany paying virtually nothing or are you just ignorant?
I have more in common with my family in Germany & Eastern Europe than I have with the racists & xenophobes of the UK. I am European.'"

Just when you were doing so well you have reverted back to insulting people. I have a Different view to you so i am ignorant.
As for the old tired cliches of racist and xenophobes , surely you can do better than that. You look to be in a downward spiral. However i remain optimistic you can raise your game. As for bullseye, seems like he is a bit smarter than you, so I will have to be on top form with him.

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Quote: GIANTSRL "lets face it, the whole referendum was in the main about immigration'"


Finally, the truth will out!



Quote: GIANTSRL "anyway lets see if it passes first, not looking likely which may end up us having a no deal!'"


Well let's hope so, for your sake anyway.

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