Growing up on my estate there was much anger, frustration and violence.

Yet none of us beheaded anyone.

One question for that chap, is why are the muslim youth so different then? Lots of people were unhappy about invading Iraq or Afghanistan. Don't recall anyone beheading anyone there either.

A refreshingly large dose of common sense and realism there in that interview.

Well I haven't read every page of this thread but after the first half dozen its going pretty much as I'd expect!

Sorry if this theory has been posted before but to me this looks like a couple of nutters who have latched onto the terrorism angle for their attack rather than something as organised as what we normally see a terrorist attack constituting.

I mean if someone Irish bloke walked into a bar and shot a load of people in Moss Side in Manchester and said nowt no one would jump to the conclusion he was a an Irish Republican. Even if he did so yelling "Down with the British" I still don't think people would automatically assume such a random attack meant this person was associated with the Republican movement.

There would be an investigation to find out.

Did he have any links to Republican organisations, was he a known sympathiser and so on?

It's got to be the same here. This incident will be investigated and one of the main things they will try and find out is things like have the perpetrators been abroad to be be trained, has there been any evidence of radicalisation and so on. Or are they just a pair of psychotic lunatics who have latched onto a "cause"?

My view is it is much more likely to be the latter and if it is it is not much different to some nutter in the USA doing a random shooting. Most people who do these things have some grievance but are NOT part of some terrorist organisation. I'd wager it is the same here.

You could well be right, but from 12,000 miles away I appear to see this happening more and more in the UK. I hear stories from people back in London from time to time as well as seeing the odd article in the national and local press. And I suspect there is a much larger growing frustration amongst people back home who aren't as liberal or were more liberal and are getting fed up with this. This could be why people like the EDL will get bigger and bigger until things are addressed and not ignored.

You do?

Could you post links to all these increasing accounts of attacks like this, please. I must have missed them.

Because there are still fundamentalist radicals preaching/brainwashing hate to young and impressionable people. (in some and by no means all mosques). According to a muslim on the BBC this morning the muslim heirarchy are in denial and just want such actions brushed under the carpet.

Incidentally these are his words not mine, so if you have a question for him, go and ask him

So less that 1/10 of one percent in 1961. As I said Islam was not practised here historically to any great extent.

No but a Muslim spokesman on the BBC was saying these kids get indocrinated by some Muslim clerics, which was the point I made (as opposed to the one you would like to think I made).

That may be the most risible and pointless hypothesis of all time. Well done.

My guess is yes but with a little help from their friends (ie manipulative radical Muslims who used them and drugs).

Still not sure what point you're trying to make by repeating that.

The BBC have named one of the attackers and describe him as being from a devout Christian family but who converted to Islam during his time at college. The police are searching 2 addresses - one in Greenwich and another in Lincolnshire.

That 'some' Muslim clerics attempt to radicalise young men doesn't seem to be a particularly good reason to attack your nearest mosque. So your point was irrelevant. I'm sure 'some' Catholic preachers attempted to radicalise young men during the NI conflict.

I switched off when the bloke kept repeating the mantra about British foreign policy 'in the Muslim world'. Had he said that the terrorists had to take responsibility for themselves for their own radicalisation, acknowledging that all adult human beings had the ability to make choices (which they do), then I would have continued to listen. But I'm not interested in excuses for the kind of behaviour witnessed in London yesterday. If spokespeople on TV continue to blame the British government's foreign policy for Islamist terrorism then why are they surprised if Muslim clerics brush the same under the carpet (to use the TV spokesperson's own words).

So why do a number of Muslims think they have to attack Western countries?