Congratulations.

That's probably one of the stupidest posts ever seen on these boards.

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Don’t argue with idiots. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience

Everyone reading this will have picked up on the fact that one needs to see beyond headline numbers ... but you either can't or, more likely, won't.

To decide if we will come out of it well you'd have to know what Cameron wants specifically and if he gets it judge if that would make the people of this country better off.

Given by amending rules that can be amended by the UK government alone such as reducing redundancy notice period down from 90 to 45 days you can see what is coming of they get the ability to ditch European employment laws.

These include things like not discriminating against part time workers or women, ensuring workers are entitled to paid holiday's and offer protection when companies are taken over and other stuff I think most people take for granted not realising where the legislation originates from and what they therefore risk to lose.

I do not think that equates to us coming out of this well.

Strangely, the only scenario he specifically mentioned was of hospital doctors forced to work to the EU maximum hours directive. I don't know of one working doctor or surgeon who would willingly go back to working 100+ hours per week, nor do I imagine any patient would be happy going under the knife of someone who enjoyed little sleep over the previous week.

As for repatriation of other employment protections, what makes him think that the other 26 countries would willingly give the UK a derogation in order that we can better compete against them?

Spot on, on both points.

rlShapps reckons we could leaverl

Talk about singing off the same hymn sheet, these buggers aren't even in the same church

Is this the same Grant "Get rich quick" Shapps? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 09978.html

Is this the same Grant "Get rich quick" Shapps? www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 09978.html

The picture of Shapps in the linked-to article is fairly typicals[/ie and quite often seems like he's enjoying the experience

After reading the Daily Mail's latest story relating to a judgement by the European Court of Human Rights, I despair that the people of this country are intelligent enough to be able to make an informed choice when it comes to a referendum. Most of the comments following the story are clamouring for us to leave the EU. Few if any commentors realise that the EU and ECHR are seperate entities.