'tis fun though...

I can show you the Bible and ask you to invite Jesus into your heart. Are you willing to do that at least?

I started on-topic and was dragged off-topic by questions posed to me by others.

I'm waiting for the resident demon to show and go on a modding spree....

Animals are conscious in that they are sentient beings that can make decisions.

There's no evidence however to suggest that they have a soul or a spirit which is taken on into the next life.

Invite Jesus into my heart? what are you on about. Like much that is spouted by Religious people its just all wishy washy rubbish.

As for showing me the bible. How is a multi translated book of Chinese whispers, originally written by goat herders over many centuries in a time when we didn't know any better, classed as piece of evidence?

I've just bought my nephew the complete Mr Men book series, doesn't mean there was ever a round blue guy covered in bandages walking around, with an orange pal with very long arms who loves a bit of a tickle.

Pretty much like Human Beings then.

Humans are a species of ape, something that biologists realised long before the theory of evolution by natural selection had been formulated.



The evidence shows that humans have been on this planet for 100-200 thousand years and life has been around for over 3.5 billion years. Death predates the existence the existence of humans regardless of what your book of myths has to say on the subject.



This is confirmation bias, If you start from the position that the bible is true and seek to prove your original position then you are likely to ignore evidence to the contrary and only find "evidence" which supports your original position.

As a consequence if you begin with the conclusion that something is true and then seek evidence to support this view then you will usually arrive at the conclusion that your initial position is correct. This does not however show that your initial position is correct.

It's not wishy washy rubbish. You need to be truly open to the idea in order to be in a position to accept it.



How do you know they were goat herders? And if they were, why does that even matter?



No it doesn't, but you can't experience the same level of personal relationship with a fictional character than you can with Jesus.

Humans are humans, unless, of course, you can show me a human who isn't a human?



I don't know how long humans or any life has been around, though obviously animals and plants are slightly older than mankind.



I used to be a non-believer and was fascinated with the arguments put forward by the likes of Sagan and Dawkins. My born again experience occurred AFTER hearing all the supposed evidence to the contrary.



The Holy Spirit drew me closer to God and then I learned more about Jesus and was born again. Call the work of the Spirit what you want.

Wh-aaaat?

So many illusions shattered on this thread, I may stop reading it now.

Sounds like your average match day at Ibrox...

Joy unconfined.

Having been absent for a few days due to work and a blethering cold, I return to find you've all been feeding the trolls.

Still, I suppose it keeps them out of mischief.

Wow I didn't think it was possible for anyone to be this dumb. Yes humans are humans however we are also apes just as we are also mammals, vertebrates, animals etc. Your response is the equivalent of saying that a Samsung Galaxy is not a phone unless you can show me a Samsung Galaxy that isn't a Samsung Galaxy.



Actually they have been around more than slightly longer rather animals have been around for hundreds of millions of years. And unlike your assertions in this thread there is actual scientific evidence to show this.



This doesn't address what I said, I don't care about your personal experience. I was responding to your comment that suggested we need to seek god first in order to have "evidence", which shows confirmation bias.

No, Genesis 1 is quite clear that humans came after animals but not from animals. To say that we are animals now is pure lunacy.



But your ‘scientific evidence’ is not consistent with scripture, nor is it necessarily the truth. For centuries scientists had us all convinced that the sun orbited the Earth. No doubt that was the ‘truth’ of the day.



Wanting something to be true does not necessarily mean you are biased. If that were the case, I could accuse atheists who hate religion of the same crime – they blaspheme against the Holy Spirit because they are stubborn and want to be their own masters.