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Quote: Mintball "Indeed. But setting aside that, why is faith itself held in such esteem or with such respect?

Serious question, BTW – to which I do not personally know the answer, even having had faith myself for much of my life.'"


Generalising, obviously...

I think that for people of the same faith, and to a lesser degree and only sometimes other faiths, it is about shared values (or, more accurately, beliefs).

From non-believers I'm not sure such esteem or excessive respect exists. If they thought it was that brilliant they'd be more likely to choose to believe themselves, I'd have thought.

If there is, it is probably respect for tradition and historical identity. See also the Royal Family. Even Republicans usually balk at calling the Queen a... you see? I balked.

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Quote: cod'ead "What about poor Jackie Paper, will nobody think of the children?'"



He grew old and has no remorse at all rlhttps://jerrychicken.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/the-truth-behind-the-song-1/rl

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Quote: cod'ead "rlA bit of inforl'"

I thought I'd got it right. The new academies are going to be subject to the same legal and other procedures as other state funded schools, whether faith or non-faith. There is even a specific directive on the admissions procedure for faith schools.

Clearly then all our schools are going to be hijacked by the church. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: SaintsFan "I thought I'd got it right. The new academies are going to be subject to the same legal and other procedures as other state funded schools, whether faith or non-faith. There is even a specific directive on the admissions procedure for faith schools.

Clearly then all our schools are going to be hijacked by the church.
You clearly have a serious problem with comprehension.

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Ooh that irony meter, it's around here somewhere.

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Quote: SaintsFan "I thought I'd got it right. The new academies are going to be subject to the same legal and other procedures as other state funded schools, whether faith or non-faith. There is even a specific directive on the admissions procedure for faith schools.

Clearly then all our schools are going to be hijacked by the church. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

But carry on – dig much further and you'll be in Australia.

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Quote: Kosh "Evolution is a an entirely neutral subject. '"

That could be said about any subject. It is humans who put meaning and importance into subjects.

Quote: Kosh "The fact that a small minority of people may not have a neutral reaction to it is no basis for policy making.'"

The reaction of people can be influential in policy making. Just within schools there are a number of examples where policy has been influenced by the reaction of people: religious education, sex education, citizenship, the content of school meals, to name but four. All these issues divide public opinion. Policy has been made in favour of one opinion or another, not necessarily the majority and sometimes (eg sex ed, content of school meals) as a result of pressure from public opinion.

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Quote: Mintball "rlYou need to learn to read.rl'"

Here is what I responded toThat approach has been spreading. You can equally see it in the rise of small, evangelical churches in the UK – there’s an African and Caribbean influence there too.[/i

So where is evangelism mentioned in that paragraph? It followed your point about EVANGELICAL churches.

I really don't think you understand what you are talking about. Again, I suggest you look up these words.

As for influence and having a role in, the two concepts are different.

I can have a role in the running of a school but influence its policy? No. I am not a headteacher or on the senior management team. I have no influence in which school policy is adopted. However, I have a role. I provide my input at staff meetings and practical help in the daily running of the school as a member of the teaching staff.

There now. The difference between 'influence' and 'having a role in' explained in simple terms for someone so caught up in their desire to mock somebody else's education that they don't even realise how uneducated they appear themselves.

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Quote: SaintsFan "
As for influence and having a role in, the two concepts are different.

I can have a role in the running of a school but influence its policy? No. I am not a headteacher or on the senior management team. I have no influence in which school policy is adopted. However, I have a role. I provide my input at staff meetings and practical help in the daily running of the school as a member of the teaching staff.

There now. The difference between 'influence' and 'having a role in' explained in simple terms for someone so caught up in their desire to mock somebody else's education that they don't even realise how uneducated they appear themselves.'"


Oh, no. No.

You saidpolicy making in the UK today. I was responding to a post about how influential it was, not that it didn't have a role.'"


If religion has a role in [ipolicy making[/i, it is having an influence. Your clarity of expression is appalling for someone tasked with educating children.

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Quote: SaintsFan "Here is what I responded toThat approach has been spreading. You can equally see it in the rise of small, evangelical churches in the UK – there’s an African and Caribbean influence there too.[/i

So where is evangelism mentioned in that paragraph? It followed your point about EVANGELICAL churches.'"


So, there isn't a rise in "small, evangelical churches in the UK"? And there isn't an "African and Caribbean influence there too"?

And can you quote where I suggested that African and Caribbean Christianity was not a result of Western missionary work, since you started to lecture me about how it was?

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Quote: SaintsFan "That could be said about any subject. It is humans who put meaning and importance into subjects.'"

Correct. Which was my point. Moreover, evolution is so mainstream in western societies that it cannot in any way be considered controversial - except for a relative handful of religious fanatics.

Quote: SaintsFan "The reaction of people can be influential in policy making.'"

Indeed. But not the point I was making. You seem to have ignored the word [iminority[/i for a start.

Quote: SaintsFan "Just within schools there are a number of examples where policy has been influenced by the reaction of people
Just because something has been done before doesn't make it a good idea to do it again or even continue doing it. RE and Sex Ed are two other areas where the opinions of a minority should count for nothing when framing policy. I'm not sure which minority influenced Citizenship BTW, and the content of school meals is based on health and nutrition advice.

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Quote: SaintsFan "I thought I'd got it right. The new academies are going to be subject to the same legal and other procedures as other state funded schools, whether faith or non-faith. There is even a specific directive on the admissions procedure for faith schools.

Clearly then all our schools are going to be hijacked by the church. 2.95751953125:10
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Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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