Another interesting thing I forgot to mention was the rumours about Sony buying Pro Evo's developer. I read it whilst looking for a reason for the PC demo constantly crashing. They mentioned it happening once this release is finished, with it likely to become a Sony exclusive.

Eh? The developers of PES are Konami...I seriously doubt Sony are buying out Konami lol

One would presume there is a section of such a big company responsible for Pro Evo, rather than them buying the whole company. It's been a Sony exclusive before hasn't it?

Pro Evo hasn't, Metal Gear Solid 4 was though!

Jonah Louma rugby or rugby world cup cant decide played world cup demo last night and seemed decent

After having played through both good and evil endings, I have come to the conclusion that Infamous 2 is absolutely feckin awesome.

It's been a console exclusive but also on the PC. Before that they used to have ISS games on Nintendo, the N64 ones were pretty good.

The ISS Pro Series which later became PES (and is still known as Winning Eleven in japan) was a PS exclusive. From what I recall both the ISS Pro series and the Nintendo ISS games were developed by different studios within Konam andi it was the studio that did the Nintendo series that made the PS2 launch ISS game, which from what I recall was pretty terrible.

Loving Dirt 2. I bought it the day it came out and hadn't played it until recently. Great game. Brilliant gameplay, soundtrack, the difficulty level it pitched really well.

Majorly surprised that Forza will not be receiving a proper steering wheel from Microsoft. There hasn't been one on the 360 for a couple of years now (Bar the horrific mad catz ones) and MS bring out a wireless wheel. Although it looks good, it seems to be the same idea as the Wii, i.e accurate to the nearest continent.

Correct, on all counts.
There's a difference between securing an exlusive title and completely owning the dev studio though.
I can't see Sony buying part of Konami, and I can't see Konami wanting to fragment its studio like that.

It depends how much Pro Evo sells these days. It used to be a big deal, but these days FIFA is such a gargantuan I'm not sure how many copies Pro Evo sells. If it's not selling it's value to Konami is reduced and it's price to Sony would also be reduced.

If Sony took over it and improved it, having the best football game as an exclusive would be a big deal.

I think I will be purchasing PES 2012. I was sceptical at first, but 10 playthroughs later I'm completely sold. Going to be an expensive winter!

is there a demo for rugby challenge

I'm tending to agree, I will get both PES and Fifa. Fifa for playing with my mates, PES for playing by myself offline. The more I've played PES, the better it's got, you learn more things, more ways to play passes, different crosses, different ways to attack crosses (diving headers, bicycle kicks, chest volleys, half volleys, etc.), it's class. I'm looking forward to getting my head around the defending. I've defended pretty much the same way on Fifa since the PS2 days (successfully, too), just jockey and hold circle to get the CPU to close down, when their player sprints, take it off him, simple. On PES, I've not been able to do this, so I've spent a lot of time chasing shadows, but I've also had some class moments, last gasp interceptions etc. it's been fun.

I actually hope Fifa's really good this year (obviously because I'm buying it) but so I can have a really good go at Ultimate Team. The Ultimate Team aspect is class and brings a proper fantasy footy feel to the game, I just got bored of the annoying game play.

I was looking at the PES menu the other day and was wondering what they Champions Leaague thing's about? Surely it's not just the Champions League? It would be fun I guess, but I hope it's integrated into some sort offline manager/career mode thing. (Is it still the Master League?)