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The tories won’t take climate change seriously, Donald trump won’t let them. icon_biggrin.gif

Of course business will continue to fly, you cannot grease palms on skype and FaceTime. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Sal Paradise "People especially families go abroad for two reasons - the weather and cost. Two week in a hotel with a pool in the Lake district would be financially prohibitive - Centre parcs anyone!! The weather is very unpredictable too and anyone who has had kids nothing worse than miserable kids on what is supposed to be the highlight of their year.

I agree about business flights - many are completely unnecessary - but if you want to win work - Skype simply doesn't cut it. Its OK for internal communications and updates but that's it.
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How did Britons ever cope before being able to take their holidays in Aya Napa icon_lol.gif

The point I'm making is not that businesses should never fly, but to disincentivise the unnecessary ones.

Cronus' point about universities is a case in point, and sums up my gripe about people going to 'conferences'. I bet a lot of academics travel is on these conference . It's all about 'prestige' in 'presenting a paper' at a foreign location. All they do is give a powerpoint about their research, then you get a panel session of self-important experts pontificating on some topic before everyone goes away and eats the buffet lunch and does networking, ie hobknobbing with someone they want to suck up to, or chatting someone up while their wife is safely back home.

At least our carbon footprint discussing this issue on rlfans is pretty low. You can guarantee there are some climate change academics flying around the world to talk about this same issue at a conference.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "How did Britons ever cope before being able to take their holidays in Aya Napa
As kids we went to Morecambe and Colwyn Bay - anyone who doesn't think Torremolinas is an upgrade for a youngster doesn't understand youngsters.

How did we ever manage when we didn't mobile phones? Is the world a better or worse place for them?

I completely agree about unnecessary travel - everytime I go on holiday I come across some conference or other - in Croatia it was some cancer specialists.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "As kids we went to Morecambe and Colwyn Bay - anyone who doesn't think Torremolinas is an upgrade for a youngster doesn't understand youngsters.

How did we ever manage when we didn't mobile phones? Is the world a better or worse place for them?
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The problem comes when new things raise expectations that become unsustainable.

Free university tuition and generous final salary pension schemes that allow people to retire at 60 on a good income also made the world a better place.

Unfortunately there comes a point where it becomes unsustainable and strict rationing needs to be put on future generations.

Given the scale of the climate emergency we need to make serious changes in lifestyle now on things like flying and meat/dairy consumption or we will leave a very difficult situation for future generations who will not have the option just to 'carry on as usual'.

The scientific community is in a broad consensus about this. Some people just choose to ignore it because they don't want to compromise on their own lifestyle, and bury their heads in the sand with the belief "it can't be as bad as they say". Strangely these are also probably the same people who would say the country can't afford free tuition and generous final salary pension schemes because that would be super-devastating...

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Quote: sally cinnamon "How did Britons ever cope before being able to take their holidays in Aya Napa Conferences are common, but field trips, exchange programmes and research trips are a big part of it. As is the 'International Office' flying mainly to China on recruitment drives. Oh, and let's not forget paying to fly Chinese students in en masse for tours of the facilities.

However, academics also make a few quid by jetsetting around. I know of an academic who - very regularly, i.e. a couple of times a month - flies to Dubai and Bahrain, delivers lectures, then often flies back the same day, lands at about 5am and goes into his UK job at a pretty big university in the North-West.

It did explain to me why most academics are grumpy, rude, entitled, wnkers who expect the world to revolve around them and behave like spoiled brats at the slightest inconvenience.

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Quote: Cronus "Conferences are common, but field trips, exchange programmes and research trips are a big part of it. As is the 'International Office' flying mainly to China on recruitment drives. Oh, and let's not forget paying to fly Chinese students in en masse for tours of the facilities.

However, academics also make a few quid by jetsetting around. I know of an academic who - very regularly, i.e. a couple of times a month - flies to Dubai and Bahrain, delivers lectures, then often flies back the same day, lands at about 5am and goes into his UK job at a pretty big university in the North-West.

It did explain to me why most academics are grumpy, rude, entitled, wnkers who expect the world to revolve around them and behave like spoiled brats at the slightest inconvenience.'"


What you say may well be the case.
However, if the climate crisis is to be taken seriously, governments accross the globe will have to find ways to reduce the carbon being pumped into the atmosphere and if this means restricting flying, so be it.
For now, the issue isn't being taken too seriously and with China in particular chasing economic growth and still commissioning coal fired power stations etc, to feed their thirst for electricity, there is one hell of a long way to go.

A reduction in consumption would probably be the easiest way to reduce emissions in the short term but, the economic consequences of this would make difficult for most governments to encourage.

The "throw away" society needs to change.

Maybe the "influencers" around the planet should be advocating the hippy lifestyle, instead of promoting st1t that nobody needs a046.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "What you say may well be the case.
However, if the climate crisis is to be taken seriously, governments accross the globe will have to find ways to reduce the carbon being pumped into the atmosphere and if this means restricting flying, so be it.
For now, the issue isn't being taken too seriously and with China in particular chasing economic growth and still commissioning coal fired power stations etc, to feed their thirst for electricity, there is one hell of a long way to go.

A reduction in consumption would probably be the easiest way to reduce emissions in the short term but, the economic consequences of this would make difficult for most governments to encourage.

The "throw away" society needs to change.

Maybe the "influencers" around the planet should be advocating the hippy lifestyle, instead of promoting st1t that nobody needs
There is no climate crisis, the planet evolves.

I do find snowflake wokes to be funny though.

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Quote: IR80 "There is no climate crisis, the planet evolves.

I do find snowflake wokes to be funny though.'"


More insightful stuff from the East Coast.

If the evolution of the planet means that huge numbers of it's inhabitants will die or have nowhere to live, should we sleepwalk into a difficult situation or, would it be a better idea to try and mitigate future difficulties.
I'll go for the latter but, you can close your eyes and cover your ears.
Snowflake trumps idiot all day long.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "More insightful stuff from the East Coast.

If the evolution of the planet means that huge numbers of it's inhabitants will die or have nowhere to live, should we sleepwalk into a difficult situation or, would it be a better idea to try and mitigate future difficulties.
I'll go for the latter but, you can close your eyes and cover your ears.
Snowflake trumps idiot all day long.'"

The planet has moved cyclically for millenia, species have thrived and died, it is the natural balance of evolution. You forgot your trademark c020.gif

You can't accept people disagree, that shows a lack of belief in your own position.

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Quote: IR80 "The planet has moved cyclically for millenia, species have thrived and died, it is the natural balance of evolution. You forgot your trademark
So, are you happy for the human species to die, without taking any preventative action or, do you think that we should try and help ourselves.
Although the planet has indeed been around for millions of years, human beings certainly haven't.

So, are you closing your eyes, covering your ears and just accepting of the future or, do you think a change in our lifestyles and improving the future for our children and their children may be a more sensible way forward.

The planet warming up is due largely to the human species and we should all take some responsibility. c020.gif icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "So, are you happy for the human species to die, without taking any preventative action or, do you think that we should try and help ourselves.
Although the planet has indeed been around for millions of years, human beings certainly haven't.

So, are you closing your eyes, covering your ears and just accepting of the future or, do you think a change in our lifestyles and improving the future for our children and their children may be a more sensible way forward.

The planet warming up is due largely to the human species and we should all take some responsibility. The planets temperature changes cyclically, has done for many millions of years, I don't take any responsibility for something which is a natural phenomenon.

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Quote: IR80 "The planets temperature changes cyclically, has done for many millions of years, I don't take any responsibility for something which is a natural phenomenon.'"


So you are in denial about any contribution made to climate change by human beings and therefore ARE going to close your eyes and cover your ears ?
Do you also think that people like David Attenborough are wrong ?

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Quote: wrencat1873 "So you are in denial about any contribution made to climate change by human beings and therefore ARE going to close your eyes and cover your ears ?
Do you also think that people like David Attenborough are wrong ?'"

I am not in denial, I accept the actions of all living creatures contributes to the cycle. Attenborough is simply regurgitating the liberal woke spcheel he is given.

Climate Change is fashionable, but they never mention the carbon footprint and environmental impact of all the documentary makers jetting around the world.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "So you are in denial about any contribution made to climate change by human beings and therefore ARE going to close your eyes and cover your ears ?
Do you also think that people like David Attenborough are wrong ?'"

I am not in denial, I accept the actions of all living creatures contributes to the cycle. Attenborough is simply regurgitating the liberal woke spcheel he is given.

Climate Change is fashionable, but they never mention the carbon footprint and environmental impact of all the documentary makers jetting around the world.

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Quote: IR80 "I am not in denial, I accept the actions of all living creatures contributes to the cycle. Attenborough is simply regurgitating the liberal woke spcheel he is given.

Climate Change is fashionable, but they never mention the carbon footprint and environmental impact of all the documentary makers jetting around the world.'"


Come on, commit yourself.
Are you saying that human being, having cause a significant element of climate change should carry on regardless and feck the consequences ?

Yes or no will be enough.

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v
Salford
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
 Sat 31st Aug
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
06:00
Parramatta
v
St.George
08:30
Dolphins
v
Brisbane
10:35
Cronulla
v
NZ Warriors
       League One 2024-R22
14:00
Midlands
v
Hunslet
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
       Championship 2024-R24
17:00
Toulouse
v
Sheffield
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
20:00
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 1st Sep
     National Rugby League 2024-R26
05:00
Newcastle
v
Gold Coast
07:05
Sydney
v
Canberra
     Womens Super League 2024-R12
12:00
LeedsW
v
York V
12:00
WiganW
v
Wire W
14:00
Hudds W
v
St.HelensW
       League One 2024-R22
14:30
Crusaders
v
Cornwall
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R24
15:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
15:00
LondonB
v
Leeds
       Championship 2024-R24
15:00
Batley
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
Halifax
15:00
Featherstone
v
Barrow
15:00
Swinton
v
Wakefield
15:00
Whitehaven
v
York
       League One 2024-R22
15:00
Oldham
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Keighley
 Thu 5th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
10:50
Brisbane
v
Melbourne
 Fri 6th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
09:00
Wests
v
Parramatta
11:00
Souths
v
Sydney
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
17:15
Wire W
v
St.HelensW
17:30
LeedsW
v
FeatherstoneW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
20:00
Castleford
v
Leigh
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Wigan
v
Hull KR
 Sat 7th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
06:00
St.George
v
Canberra
08:30
Canterbury
v
NQL Cowboys
10:35
Penrith
v
Gold Coast
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
BarrowW
v
Hudds W
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Barrow
v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
18:00
Salford
v
Catalans
 Sun 8th Sep 2024
     National Rugby League 2024-R27
05:00
Manly
v
Cronulla
07:05
Newcastle
v
Dolphins
     Womens Super League 2024-R13
12:00
WiganW
v
York V
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R25
15:00
Huddersfield
v
LondonB
       Championship 2024-R25
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Halifax
v
Dewsbury
15:00
Sheffield
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Featherstone
15:00
Wakefield
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Widnes
v
York
 Fri 13th Sep 2024
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull KR
20:00
St.Helens
v
Castleford
20:00
Wigan
v
Leeds
 Sat 14th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
14:00
FeatherstoneW
v
York V
14:00
St.HelensW
v
BarrowW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Hull FC
v
Salford
       Championship 2024-R26
15:00
Barrow
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Bradford
v
Batley
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Swinton
15:00
Doncaster
v
Widnes
15:00
Featherstone
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
York
17:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
20:00
Catalans
v
LondonB
 Sun 15th Sep 2024
     Womens Super League 2024-R14
12:00
WiganW
v
LeedsW
14:00
Hudds W
v
Wire W
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R26
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Warrington
 Fri 20th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
19:30
Sheffield
v
York
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull FC
v
Catalans
20:00
Hull KR
v
Leeds
20:00
Leigh
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
LondonB
20:00
Wigan
v
Salford
 Sat 21st Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
18:00
Featherstone
v
Dewsbury
18:00
Widnes
v
Toulouse
19:30
Wakefield
v
Barrow
 Sun 22nd Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R27
15:00
Batley
v
Swinton
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Doncaster
 Sat 28th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
 Sun 29th Sep 2024
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Halifax
15:00
York
v
Featherstone
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
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14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov 2024
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12:00
ENGLAND W
v
WALES W
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
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Sat 3rd Aug
SL
15:00
Hull FC-St.Helens
SL
17:30
Salford-Leeds
Sun 4th Aug
SL
15:00
LondonB-Catalans
Thu 8th Aug
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Salford
Fri 9th Aug
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
Sat 10th Aug
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wigan
Sun 11th Aug
SL
15:00
Leigh-Hull FC
SL
15:00
LondonB-Warrington
Sat 17th Aug
SL
19:30
Warrington-Leeds
SL
17:00
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
14:30
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:30
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:00
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:30
Huddersfield-Castleford
Fri 23rd Aug
SL
20:00
Castleford-Warrington
SL
20:00
Leeds-Catalans
Sat 24th Aug
SL
15:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
SL
14:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Sun 25th Aug
SL
15:00
LondonB-Leigh
Fri 2nd Aug
SL 20 Warrington4-22Hull KR
NRL 22 NZ Warriors20-30Parramatta
NRL 22 Dolphins34-40Sydney
Thu 1st Aug
SL 20 Castleford10-20Leigh
SL 20 Wigan26-14Huddersfield
NRL 22 Wests30-48NQL Cowboys
Sun 28th Jul
NRL 21 St.George10-46Penrith
NRL 21 Dolphins14-21Gold Coast
NRL 21 Canberra32-12Souths
CH 19 Batley16-22Halifax
CH 19 Doncaster37-30Barrow
CH 19 Sheffield78-24Whitehaven
CH 19 Wakefield46-18Featherstone
CH 19 Widnes25-6Bradford
CH 19 York34-4Swinton
L1 17 Newcastle34-44Cornwall
L1 17 Hunslet24-32Workington
L1 17 Keighley36-12Midlands
L1 17 Rochdale10-14Oldham
Sat 27th Jul
SL 19 Salford30-22Castleford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Hull KR 20 503 259 244 30
Wigan 19 495 258 237 30
Warrington 20 502 267 235 28
Catalans 19 366 274 92 24
Salford 19 355 366 -11 24
St.Helens 19 455 256 199 22
 
Leeds 19 355 342 13 20
Leigh 19 392 286 106 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 19 268 566 -298 6
LondonB 19 198 725 -527 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 17 584 206 378 32
Sheffield 17 488 283 205 24
Toulouse 16 468 220 248 23
Widnes 17 410 307 103 21
Bradford 17 397 297 100 21
Doncaster 17 318 410 -92 17
 
York 18 428 345 83 16
Featherstone 17 440 359 81 16
Batley 17 284 366 -82 16
Swinton 17 342 422 -80 12
Halifax 17 318 459 -141 12
Barrow 16 255 458 -203 12
Whitehaven 17 336 556 -220 12
Dewsbury 18 224 560 -336 2
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