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The tories won’t take climate change seriously, Donald trump won’t let them. icon_biggrin.gif

Of course business will continue to fly, you cannot grease palms on skype and FaceTime. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Sal Paradise "People especially families go abroad for two reasons - the weather and cost. Two week in a hotel with a pool in the Lake district would be financially prohibitive - Centre parcs anyone!! The weather is very unpredictable too and anyone who has had kids nothing worse than miserable kids on what is supposed to be the highlight of their year.

I agree about business flights - many are completely unnecessary - but if you want to win work - Skype simply doesn't cut it. Its OK for internal communications and updates but that's it.
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How did Britons ever cope before being able to take their holidays in Aya Napa icon_lol.gif

The point I'm making is not that businesses should never fly, but to disincentivise the unnecessary ones.

Cronus' point about universities is a case in point, and sums up my gripe about people going to 'conferences'. I bet a lot of academics travel is on these conference . It's all about 'prestige' in 'presenting a paper' at a foreign location. All they do is give a powerpoint about their research, then you get a panel session of self-important experts pontificating on some topic before everyone goes away and eats the buffet lunch and does networking, ie hobknobbing with someone they want to suck up to, or chatting someone up while their wife is safely back home.

At least our carbon footprint discussing this issue on rlfans is pretty low. You can guarantee there are some climate change academics flying around the world to talk about this same issue at a conference.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "How did Britons ever cope before being able to take their holidays in Aya Napa
As kids we went to Morecambe and Colwyn Bay - anyone who doesn't think Torremolinas is an upgrade for a youngster doesn't understand youngsters.

How did we ever manage when we didn't mobile phones? Is the world a better or worse place for them?

I completely agree about unnecessary travel - everytime I go on holiday I come across some conference or other - in Croatia it was some cancer specialists.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "As kids we went to Morecambe and Colwyn Bay - anyone who doesn't think Torremolinas is an upgrade for a youngster doesn't understand youngsters.

How did we ever manage when we didn't mobile phones? Is the world a better or worse place for them?
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The problem comes when new things raise expectations that become unsustainable.

Free university tuition and generous final salary pension schemes that allow people to retire at 60 on a good income also made the world a better place.

Unfortunately there comes a point where it becomes unsustainable and strict rationing needs to be put on future generations.

Given the scale of the climate emergency we need to make serious changes in lifestyle now on things like flying and meat/dairy consumption or we will leave a very difficult situation for future generations who will not have the option just to 'carry on as usual'.

The scientific community is in a broad consensus about this. Some people just choose to ignore it because they don't want to compromise on their own lifestyle, and bury their heads in the sand with the belief "it can't be as bad as they say". Strangely these are also probably the same people who would say the country can't afford free tuition and generous final salary pension schemes because that would be super-devastating...

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Quote: sally cinnamon "How did Britons ever cope before being able to take their holidays in Aya Napa Conferences are common, but field trips, exchange programmes and research trips are a big part of it. As is the 'International Office' flying mainly to China on recruitment drives. Oh, and let's not forget paying to fly Chinese students in en masse for tours of the facilities.

However, academics also make a few quid by jetsetting around. I know of an academic who - very regularly, i.e. a couple of times a month - flies to Dubai and Bahrain, delivers lectures, then often flies back the same day, lands at about 5am and goes into his UK job at a pretty big university in the North-West.

It did explain to me why most academics are grumpy, rude, entitled, wnkers who expect the world to revolve around them and behave like spoiled brats at the slightest inconvenience.

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Quote: Cronus "Conferences are common, but field trips, exchange programmes and research trips are a big part of it. As is the 'International Office' flying mainly to China on recruitment drives. Oh, and let's not forget paying to fly Chinese students in en masse for tours of the facilities.

However, academics also make a few quid by jetsetting around. I know of an academic who - very regularly, i.e. a couple of times a month - flies to Dubai and Bahrain, delivers lectures, then often flies back the same day, lands at about 5am and goes into his UK job at a pretty big university in the North-West.

It did explain to me why most academics are grumpy, rude, entitled, wnkers who expect the world to revolve around them and behave like spoiled brats at the slightest inconvenience.'"


What you say may well be the case.
However, if the climate crisis is to be taken seriously, governments accross the globe will have to find ways to reduce the carbon being pumped into the atmosphere and if this means restricting flying, so be it.
For now, the issue isn't being taken too seriously and with China in particular chasing economic growth and still commissioning coal fired power stations etc, to feed their thirst for electricity, there is one hell of a long way to go.

A reduction in consumption would probably be the easiest way to reduce emissions in the short term but, the economic consequences of this would make difficult for most governments to encourage.

The "throw away" society needs to change.

Maybe the "influencers" around the planet should be advocating the hippy lifestyle, instead of promoting st1t that nobody needs a046.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "What you say may well be the case.
However, if the climate crisis is to be taken seriously, governments accross the globe will have to find ways to reduce the carbon being pumped into the atmosphere and if this means restricting flying, so be it.
For now, the issue isn't being taken too seriously and with China in particular chasing economic growth and still commissioning coal fired power stations etc, to feed their thirst for electricity, there is one hell of a long way to go.

A reduction in consumption would probably be the easiest way to reduce emissions in the short term but, the economic consequences of this would make difficult for most governments to encourage.

The "throw away" society needs to change.

Maybe the "influencers" around the planet should be advocating the hippy lifestyle, instead of promoting st1t that nobody needs
There is no climate crisis, the planet evolves.

I do find snowflake wokes to be funny though.

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Quote: IR80 "There is no climate crisis, the planet evolves.

I do find snowflake wokes to be funny though.'"


More insightful stuff from the East Coast.

If the evolution of the planet means that huge numbers of it's inhabitants will die or have nowhere to live, should we sleepwalk into a difficult situation or, would it be a better idea to try and mitigate future difficulties.
I'll go for the latter but, you can close your eyes and cover your ears.
Snowflake trumps idiot all day long.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "More insightful stuff from the East Coast.

If the evolution of the planet means that huge numbers of it's inhabitants will die or have nowhere to live, should we sleepwalk into a difficult situation or, would it be a better idea to try and mitigate future difficulties.
I'll go for the latter but, you can close your eyes and cover your ears.
Snowflake trumps idiot all day long.'"

The planet has moved cyclically for millenia, species have thrived and died, it is the natural balance of evolution. You forgot your trademark c020.gif

You can't accept people disagree, that shows a lack of belief in your own position.

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Quote: IR80 "The planet has moved cyclically for millenia, species have thrived and died, it is the natural balance of evolution. You forgot your trademark
So, are you happy for the human species to die, without taking any preventative action or, do you think that we should try and help ourselves.
Although the planet has indeed been around for millions of years, human beings certainly haven't.

So, are you closing your eyes, covering your ears and just accepting of the future or, do you think a change in our lifestyles and improving the future for our children and their children may be a more sensible way forward.

The planet warming up is due largely to the human species and we should all take some responsibility. c020.gif icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "So, are you happy for the human species to die, without taking any preventative action or, do you think that we should try and help ourselves.
Although the planet has indeed been around for millions of years, human beings certainly haven't.

So, are you closing your eyes, covering your ears and just accepting of the future or, do you think a change in our lifestyles and improving the future for our children and their children may be a more sensible way forward.

The planet warming up is due largely to the human species and we should all take some responsibility. The planets temperature changes cyclically, has done for many millions of years, I don't take any responsibility for something which is a natural phenomenon.

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Quote: IR80 "The planets temperature changes cyclically, has done for many millions of years, I don't take any responsibility for something which is a natural phenomenon.'"


So you are in denial about any contribution made to climate change by human beings and therefore ARE going to close your eyes and cover your ears ?
Do you also think that people like David Attenborough are wrong ?

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Quote: wrencat1873 "So you are in denial about any contribution made to climate change by human beings and therefore ARE going to close your eyes and cover your ears ?
Do you also think that people like David Attenborough are wrong ?'"

I am not in denial, I accept the actions of all living creatures contributes to the cycle. Attenborough is simply regurgitating the liberal woke spcheel he is given.

Climate Change is fashionable, but they never mention the carbon footprint and environmental impact of all the documentary makers jetting around the world.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "So you are in denial about any contribution made to climate change by human beings and therefore ARE going to close your eyes and cover your ears ?
Do you also think that people like David Attenborough are wrong ?'"

I am not in denial, I accept the actions of all living creatures contributes to the cycle. Attenborough is simply regurgitating the liberal woke spcheel he is given.

Climate Change is fashionable, but they never mention the carbon footprint and environmental impact of all the documentary makers jetting around the world.

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Quote: IR80 "I am not in denial, I accept the actions of all living creatures contributes to the cycle. Attenborough is simply regurgitating the liberal woke spcheel he is given.

Climate Change is fashionable, but they never mention the carbon footprint and environmental impact of all the documentary makers jetting around the world.'"


Come on, commit yourself.
Are you saying that human being, having cause a significant element of climate change should carry on regardless and feck the consequences ?

Yes or no will be enough.

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LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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