Dally I agree with your post but wish to add that the electorate would probably agree with you if there was a viable party to place their x against. By comparison the other parties are weak and until they all get themselves party leaders with coherent message then the status quo will prevail....

Leyther Paul Mason get it -- Quote But – and this is the final mindset shift we in Labour must make – free movement is over. Free movement was a core principle of the EU, developed over time. We are no longer part of that, and to reconnect with our voting base – I don’t mean the racists but the thousands of ordinary Labour voters, including black and Asian people – we have to design a migration policy that works for them, and not for rip-off construction bosses or slavedrivers on the farms of East Anglia.'" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... xit-brexit

Leyther Paul Mason get it -- Quote But – and this is the final mindset shift we in Labour must make – free movement is over. Free movement was a core principle of the EU, developed over time. We are no longer part of that, and to reconnect with our voting base – I don’t mean the racists but the thousands of ordinary Labour voters, including black and Asian people – we have to design a migration policy that works for them, and not for rip-off construction bosses or slavedrivers on the farms of East Anglia.'" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... xit-brexit

Many of our laws are created by a group of unelected Eurocrats that we can't get rid of. The EU was only going to get more powerful, more integrated, ever growing. I believe that in the future it would become a superstate with the current countries being basically council areas. We would have no democratic powers to change it or have any real influence. It isn't a force for good.

Can you cite a few of these many laws created by 'unelected Eurocrats'?

Do I need to? You know as well as I do that they exist. Alright, many of them might seem insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

We were heading towards a situation where the EU would become a fully functioning federal nation state. It already has a flag, an anthem, a parliament and a court that is superior to our own legal system.

Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"Can you cite a few of these many laws created by 'unelected Eurocrats'?'" It's not an easy question to answer. https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-what ... uenced-eu/

Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"Can you cite a few of these many laws created by 'unelected Eurocrats'?'" It's not an easy question to answer. https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-what ... uenced-eu/

Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"It's not an easy question to answer. https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-what ... uenced-eu/'" That shows, sort of, how to determine the amount of UK laws influenced by the EU. What about the second half of wigan_rlfc's oh-so certain statement: how many on the EU side didn't go through the elected European Parliament or get approval from our own elected UK government?

Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"It's not an easy question to answer. https://fullfact.org/europe/uk-law-what ... uenced-eu/'" That shows, sort of, how to determine the amount of UK laws influenced by the EU. What about the second half of wigan_rlfc's oh-so certain statement: how many on the EU side didn't go through the elected European Parliament or get approval from our own elected UK government?

I don't always agree with Peter Hitchens, but he's spot on in both of his assessments of the Tory, and Labour front benches. https://youtu.be/LnCvl2T_o5o

I don't always agree with Peter Hitchens, but he's spot on in both of his assessments of the Tory, and Labour front benches. https://youtu.be/LnCvl2T_o5o

And now Labour start a civil war amongst themselves, lovely.

It's a strange if not interesting time in politics the Lib Dems committed political suicide and the two main parties have completely imploded.

Quite bizarre

A Ten Point Plan For Labour To Regain The Workers Vote

1) Stop supporting the free movement of Labour! At one time Labour fought to save jobs in local communities whilst the capitalists told workers to ‘get on their bikes and find work’. Studies have proven that immigration has small impact on average wages but more significant impacts along the wage distribution, low-waged workers lose while medium and high-paid workers gain.
2) Guarantee that all legitimate asylum seekers and refugees will be welcome to find safety in our country.
3) Put Blair and Cameron on trial for their war crimes.
4) Nationalise the Banking system.
5) Use newly created public money to start building the infrastructure needed, new houses, new schools etc.
6) Pledge the British forces will never set foot on foreign soil unless working under a U.N mandate.
7) Pledge to help workers and unions in other countries in their struggle against global capitalism
8 Repeal all anti union laws enacted since the days of Thatcher.
9) Pledge to introduce proportional representation into U.K politics.
10) Pledge to ban fracking in the U.K and to promote a ‘Green’ energy bill.

I'd agree with most of that. I'm not against free movement of labour, however it's clear the majority of the electorate are, and both major parties have dismissed this group of voters as bigots. To be fair some of them are, but that doesn't mean the politicians who are meant to represent their constituents should ignore them. It alienates them, and as a result are gravitated to the likes of UKIP.