All true ... but ... a bit of thinking on the part of the local constabulary could place a couple of young coppers in a hot-spot pub/bar and spot a few punters who are very obviously "intoxicated" but who nonetheless get served ... and then serve a summons on the proprietors.
More than x amount of summons in a year and the license is revoked.

Granted, a few functioning alcoholics who still behave well will drop through the net and not get arrested but that's a separate issue, we're targeting behaviour here.

Agreed. Bigger punishments are needed for the establishments and more blame should be attached to councils who allow so many bars/clubs etc in often small areas.
Restrict the amount of people allowed in the pubs/bars/clubs at any one time so that they're not so packed full. Then bar staff might actually have a chance to assess whether someone has had too many or not, rather than simply working like mad to simply keep the queue at the bar to a half hour wait.

Just speaking from personal experience but there is far less trouble at my local pub, where the landlord knows a decent proportion of his customers, can tell when someone's had enough and knows who might be a problem and who is ok, than the clubs in the town centre where it's just a matter of serving them as quickly as possible.

Many seem to be missing key points:

1. From clubs' perspective, many are run on the model of attracting and admitting as many as possible and serving as many shots and cheap drinks as quickly as possible to as many of them as possible as often as possible.

2. It's all very well talking about well-controlled pubs etc. but this risibly ignores the point that the masses who end up paralytic in the street every weekend early hours DO NOT WANT that type of environment, the clubs are providing them with what they want, which is a route to a long session into the early hours including getting totally off your face.

There is a good point about it being illegal to serve a drunk. If a customer comes out of X club off his or her face, then apart from anything else, it would be hard to defend a charge. But for some reason, I can't remember ever reading about a club being so charged. The police occasionally whinge about the state of people on the streets in the early hours, but whilst they are unlikely to modify the behaviour of the thousands whose lifestyle this is, why don't the clubs who have got people off their face ever get their collars felt?

I would imagine that one night of surveillance inside and outside one of those establishments would be enough to produce evidence of dozens if not hundreds of offences and this would be an effective solution as being summonsed for serving 100 drunks on one weekend would not endear you to the council alcohol licensing committee.

So my conclusion is that the police do not WANT to actually stop the paralytics being plied with drink until they are in that state.

The chief constables and the accountants may want to but for many (most) front line officers its a nice easy, (ok so it can be messy sometimes), bit of overtime or relief to a normally boring night shift.

Oh, absolutely. If I was 6'3", sober, muscled up like a brick 5hithouse and in full body armour, accompanied by six similar, the idea that drunks posed some sort of difficulty to me would be bloody funny. I always wonder though if it es off the lads from the meatwagon on the rare occasions a film crew is about. It would me.

£400

you could get yourself a decent prossie and a night in a good hotel for that.

Have any of you lot ever been in a late night establishment? People do not even drink in them anymore. They get tanked up at home with supermarket deals and then the venues have to deal with it afterwards.

Not really. People don't get drunk at home first, they just get the ball rolling. Even then, it doesn't absolve the establishments of blame.

We need a culture change in the establishments, from one of selling as many drinks as quickly as possible to one that is more responsible.

No licensed venue has to deal with drunks, in fact its illegal for them to "deal" with anyone who is drunk, all they have to do is refuse them admission, easier these days with every club and pub having doormen (the need for which instantly removes them from my "must visit" list).

What happens was perfectly illustrated on last weeks episode of "Bouncers" where the heavy on the gate at one of Jesmonds watering holes was meeting and greeting on a bank holiday monday afternoon and admitted a party of 30-something blokes, most of whom were well blathered, he quoted to camera the fact that if there were only a couple of them he wouldn't have let them in but they didn't have the resources to refuse admission to such a large group and anyway, his boss wouldn't be pleased if he was seen turning away that sort of business.

No, none of us have. Ever.




Let me get this straight; venues spend money to set up, staff, run and license their venue, and admit hundreds of customers, but do this for nothing, (except the privilege of having to deal with a shedload of tanked up assholes) because none of the customers actually spends any money there.

OK. That sounds likely. No, really. I'm sure you're right.

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What happens when the powers that be at G4S start setting targets to hit, 12 drunks a night so we are in profit?
How will people be judged that they've had too much to drink?
Who judges them and what training/background checks will they have?

Some people talk nonsense - "People nowadays get tanked up on Supermarket ale before going out". It's always been the case having a few before you go out, or go to the pub for happy hour or have a few in the local before we go out etc.

Most of the idiots that cause trouble are fuelled by cocaine, not alcohol, its just some Tory minister that hasn't been on a night out in 50 years, what next Police State?

Honest to God, every time I've ever been out I've had a skin full but I can handle it and other than when I've been abroad I've never seen many people spewing/unconscious on the floor in any pub or town centre.

No problem with a drunk tank in a City centre/Town centre but the people placed into them must be done by Police and not to a private firm and must only be on the basis that they are paralytic, which like I said before is a rare site. It would be a complete waste of money IMO if run by Government and if taken on by G4S then the private firm would start setting targets to cover the costs and start nicking anyone who's had a drink to meet their quota, would end up like the Gestapo.

Sorry, am oot!