| FORUMS > The Sin Bin > Eurovision 2012 - Engelbert Humperdinck for UK |
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| Quote: Rock God X "I know it's a cliche to hate Jedward, but I fooking [ihate[/i Jedward.'"
At last, something you and I agree on! |
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I know Eurovision's a joke, BUT....
British singers, songwriters and groups have hits all over the world and write some of the world's best music.
So, why can we enter a song along those lines, instead of the usual crap we enter? We almost won in the year that Andrew Lloyd Webber wrote the song and appeared on stage miming the piano, which goes to show that it's WHO you enter into the competition, not what.
The best showing for years, so what did they follow it up with? Some spotty little get singing something written by Pete Waterman. FFS!!!
Imagine if someone like Robbie Williams or Kasabian entered. OK it won't happen - but if we then LOST, we could write it off for sure as being the political joke it is. Having the profile they have, though, they SHOULD win by a mile.
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| Quote: ROBINSON "
British singers, songwriters and groups have hits all over the world and write some of the world's best music.
So, why can we enter a song along those lines, instead of the usual crap we enter? '"
Because any halfway credible singer/band wouldn't be seen dead on stage at Eurovision. |
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| Quote: Rock God X "Because any halfway credible singer/band wouldn't be seen dead on stage at Eurovision.'"
There is that, for sure. Shame, really.
In any case, I'm sure you're not suggesting that Andrew Lloyd Webber is not credible...? |
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| Quote: ROBINSON "icon_lol.gif ![]()
I defy anyone to disagree. People who buy Jedward records should be fooked to death with a lump of rough-cut 2x4, primarily, though not exclusively, to prevent them further polluting the gene pool.
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| Quote: ROBINSON "... Andrew Lloyd Webber is not credible...'"
Well not if you actually like musical theatre and consider it a credible art form.
And Jedward make records?????
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| Quote: ROBINSON "There is that, for sure. Shame, really.
In any case, I'm sure you're not suggesting that Andrew Lloyd Webber is not credible...?'"
I suppose he's in the fortunate position that he doesn't need to be seen to be 'cool' to be successful in his chosen field. |
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| Austria's song is so brilliantly stupid that it's amazing.
For anyone wanting a "listen" search "Woki mit deim Popo" on a certain video site. |
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| Quote: Mintball "Well not if you actually like musical theatre and consider it a credible art form.
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I thought you liked musical theatre, Mintball...? |
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| Quote: Mintball "Well not if you actually like musical theatre and consider it a credible art form.'"
What snobbery. At his peak, Lloyd Webber wrote some of the most memorable and successful musical theatre songs ever, so his 'credibility' is hardly in any doubt. And in my book, songs like Memory, I Don't Know How To Love Him, Music Of the Night etc. are actually brilliant popular music, and have more than stood the test of time.
Quote: Mintball "And Jedward make records?????
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They make money. Maybe not much, and lord knows how, but credit where it's due, with no discernable talent except to annoy, they've managed to earn a living, when they clearly should be unemployable dole spongers.
And you have to admit, releasing them onto Eurovision is delicious 
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "What snobbery. At his peak, Lloyd Webber wrote some of the most memorable and successful musical theatre songs ever, so his 'credibility' is hardly in any doubt. And in my book, songs like Memory, I Don't Know How To Love Him, Music Of the Night etc. are actually brilliant popular music, and have more than stood the test of time.
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Totally agree with that. I tend to prefer Boublil & Schoenberg personally, but you can't deny that ALW has the ability to write spine tingling music with just the right amount of scmaltz to make it popular listening. That takes a hell of a lot of talent. |
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Now, not only will Engelbert represent the UK in the 2012 Eurovision Song Contest, but he'll be going head to head with Jedward for Ireland!'"
Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Dunno, but bloody Jedward got 119 last year, finishing in 8th place overall. '"
So if I've got this right, the Irish picked Jedward last year and have done so again this year?  |
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| Quote: ROBINSON "I thought you liked musical theatre, Mintball...?'"
Yes. I do. That's the point. |
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| Quote: Rock God X "I know it's a cliche to hate Jedward, but I fooking [ihate[/i Jedward.'"
With a vengeance, |
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| Quote: Mintball "
Yeah. He can manage one vaguely reasonable tune per show – the ones you mention are from his better era, when he had a lyricist who managed to inject some quality into their combined work.
But it's still only a tune a show – and that sort of a ratio is smashed into the middle of next week by the likes of Rogers & Hammerstein, Lerner & Loewe, Kander & Ebb, the Gershwins, Cole Porter and many more, who produced truly great popular music that really has stood the test of time over a number of generations.
Lloyd Webber, together with Schönberg and Boublil (who can manage a hardly better rate than LW – does anyone remember a single song from [iMiss Saignon[/i? [iLes Mis[/i has three at a push[/i]) helped create the template for a musical theatre that is formulaic but with barely even one really great, get-up-and-sing-it tune to compensate.
People might not be fans of Rogers and Hammerstein, but any one of their five biggest shows has a whole raft of songs that have entered the popular consciousness. That, my friend, is great popular music. And it is not snobbishness. ![]()
I can't possibly agree with that, except the Rogers and Hammerstein bit, which I don't have enough knowledge of.
Take Phantom of the Opera. Virtually anyone, familar or not, could name the title song, Music of the Night, All I ask of you and Masquerade as being part of that show. Evita has Oh What a Circus, Another Suitcase in Another Hall and Don't Cry for Me Argentina - everyone knows them. That's just TWO shows.
And so what if he 'needed' a lyricist. Lyrics finish a song off, yes, but the hook and arrangement are what you remember.
As for Boublil & Schoenberg, I'm sure anyone who's watched Miss Saigon will remember American Dream, Movie in my Mind and the one I can't pronounce. As for Les Mis - well your comment is just daft. Lets see; At The End of The Day, Bring HIm Home, Empty Chairs at Empty Tables, I dreamed a dream, Master of the House and On My Own are world famous songs in their own right.
Anyone who questions that quality is just a snob, as were the original reviewers of Les Mis, who famously panned it. Shows what they know, eh?
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