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Quote: Sal Paradise "The supermarkets cannot afford to de-list the bigger brands - there-in lies the status quo they need each other. No supermarket could afford to de-list Coca-Cola, Cornflakes, Heinz beans etc and these products will form a significant chunk of their turnover.'"


You are talking about a small list of very select brands and sometimes just key brands within a portfolio, the rest get what they are given.

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Quote: Dally "But they are allegedly "baking" from pre-frozen ingridients to produce the initial loaf. If they have stuff left then it is sliced and put out next day. I would guess the act of slicing makes it feel pliable and therefore fresh to the unsuspecting customer?

Have baked our own lots of times and it lasts just as long as that stuff, especially if wrapped in foil. PS when you bake your own it takes more that the 9 minutes or so it takes in-store!'"


I don't really understand your point, is it that they are baking instore from product that has been proven off site and frozen at that point - I don't really see anything "wrong" in that, its bringing consistency to a product that would otherwise be different in every store - you might argue that that is the bad thing and that an independent baker will produce a slightly different product almost every day as long as they use raw products to produce their bread and not one of the pre-prepared sacks of dough mix that some of them do - is that wrong too ?

And yes you can extend the life of your home baked bread by a day or two, the wife stores ours in a large Tupperware style sealed box, personally I don't like that as it actually softens the crust then, its better to admit, like the French do so well, that bread is actually a product that has to be baked and then consumed same day and I don't have a problem with supermarket bread not lasting for a long time, indeed I'm very suspicious about the branded packed sliced breads that are often the cheapest on the shelf, taste of nothing at all, last for seven days and are only actually good for toasting or feeding to ducks.

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Quote: JerryChicken "
And yes you can extend the life of your home baked bread by a day or two, the wife stores ours in a large Tupperware style sealed box, personally I don't like that as it actually softens the crust then, its better to admit, like the French do so well, that bread is actually a product that has to be baked and then consumed same day and I don't have a problem with supermarket bread not lasting for a long time, indeed I'm very suspicious about the branded packed sliced breads that are often the cheapest on the shelf, taste of nothing at all, last for seven days and are only actually good for toasting or feeding to ducks.'"


I think toasting is a step too far...

We've just started to bake soda bread, it tends to last a couple of days if I hide it from the wife, I've just started off a sour dough leveant, I understand that keeps well too.

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Quote: Dally "But they are allegedly "baking" from pre-frozen ingridients to produce the initial loaf. If they have stuff left then it is sliced and put out next day. I would guess the act of slicing makes it feel pliable and therefore fresh to the unsuspecting customer?

Have baked our own lots of times and it lasts just as long as that stuff, especially if wrapped in foil. PS when you bake your own it takes more that the 9 minutes or so it takes in-store!'"


Some of the bread is frozen and "baked off" in store, just the same as it is in, say, Lidl. Other bread is made in the traditional way with flour, water, etc - the yeast is stored at the required temperature in the bakery.

If you're near Kensington, nip into one of the "upmarket" Tesco Stores - they now work in partnership with Euphorium Bakery, who supply real artisan stuff.

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Quote: Dally "Are you in Scotland? Maybe the Tesco cafes are better there. But the ones I've tried to eat in (granted not for some time as they look so awful and my memories are bad) have '"


The majority of the cafes are now operated by Costa, whereas previously it was in house.

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Quote: Dally "For example, someone I know

OK, one person you know.
Socially, I know a number of Tesco employees - parents of my kids friends. Not ones I work with, manage, or am managed by. They work in various roles - checkout operators / supervisors / electrical / back office. Each one is more than happy with the flexibility given to them regarding working hours. Remember that a lot of large format stores are now open from 06.00hrs Monday, to 22.00hrs Saturday, plus 6 hours on a Sunday. This leads to a requirement for some flexibility - the days of a "9-5" shop assistant in grocery retailing has now gone.

The smaller, Express format has a different requirement - usually quieter stores, with less staff, but flexibility is still required.

Each year, each and every employee completes a "viewpoint" appraisal of their manager, work conditions, pay, facilities, etc. These are really interesting to assess, and there has been a dramatic improvement in all areas over the last 18 months within the business.

Regarding managers texting at 11pm at night - before Tesco, when I ran large transport fleets, I'd be forever juggling drivers around and ringing / texting at all hours to get them in if possible. It's called manpower utilisation, and is prevalent in many industries that operate around the clock. Some people say "yes", some say "no" - thats the nature of the game.

2 or 3 hours overtime unpaid? Sorry, but don't believe that. If they are hourly paid, they would be paid for the hours worked. Not paid for breaks? As I said, hourly paid: not working on break, so not paid - that's the norm.

Ask your friend about the benefits that Tesco staff receive - some of them are not just industry leading, they are UK leading. There is still a defined benefits pension, which is recognised every year as one of the best pensions available in any business in the UK. 10% discount for staff - this mounts up over the year and is a good benefit. Shares In Success gives an annual bonus of between 3% and 7% to all staff. Higher level staff have a Long Term Incentive plan which can be as much as 25% of salary in share options each year. Health plan, dental plan, the list goes on. Plus, Tesco are recognised as a business that develops their people, from the shop floor up..

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Quote: Man in Madrid "The majority of the cafes are now operated by Costa, whereas previously it was in house.'"


Nope, they haven't been in house for over four years and the catering company (Avenance Elior) have just bought into a Costa franchise rather than them being run by Whitbread who own Costa.

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Quote: cod'ead "You'd end up with something resembling a chapati. The ingredients and process in most supermarket breads mean they don't machine-slice too well without collapsing'"

Done it often and never had a problem. Very occasionally it can be a bit crumbly but otherwise perfectly fine.

Most (larger) supermarkets bake and slice their own bread on site these days.

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Quote: Big Graeme "More like respond to a customer, smile, take them to the product they are asking about, ask if they need anything else, smile, say goodbye. But the gist is right. The Co-Op have been trying for two years to match ASDA customer service wise and they still can't touch them.'"
I work for ASDA and they want their employees to do everything me and you said.
Mine wasn't a definitive list I was just making a list of somethings that are included.

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Quote: Anakin Skywalker "I work for ASDA and they want their employees to do everything me and you said.'"


I know


So you'll know who Grassroots are then...

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Quote: Big Graeme "I know I feel as though I should and I'm sure I have heard it about it but no I don't icon_surprised.gifops:

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Quote: Big Graeme "You are talking about a small list of very select brands and sometimes just key brands within a portfolio, the rest get what they are given.'"


We must agree to differ - these brands form a significant chunk of their offering. I worked for UB who had various snack brands - Asda tried it on with them - the monies they wanted was huge - and de-listed everything this included McVities products, Hob nobs, Jaffa Cakes, Mini Cheddars. This lasted all of two weeks and you would hardly list McVities in the league of Coca Cola, Pepsi, P&G etc. Supermarkets have to have these products if they don't customers will go elsewhere.

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Quote: JerryChicken "I don't really understand your point, is it that they are baking instore from product that has been proven off site and frozen at that point - I don't really see anything "wrong" in that, its bringing consistency to a product that would otherwise be different in every store - you might argue that that is the bad thing and that an independent baker will produce a slightly different product almost every day as long as they use raw products to produce their bread and not one of the pre-prepared sacks of dough mix that some of them do - is that wrong too ?

And yes you can extend the life of your home baked bread by a day or two, the wife stores ours in a large Tupperware style sealed box, personally I don't like that as it actually softens the crust then, its better to admit, like the French do so well, that bread is actually a product that has to be baked and then consumed same day and I don't have a problem with supermarket bread not lasting for a long time, indeed I'm very suspicious about the branded packed sliced breads that are often the cheapest on the shelf, taste of nothing at all, last for seven days and are only actually good for toasting or feeding to ducks.'"


Nooooo! You should never feed bread to ducks!

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Quote: Rock God X "Nooooo! You should never feed bread to ducks!'"


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Quote: Sal Paradise "We must agree to differ - these brands form a significant chunk of their offering. I worked for UB who had various snack brands - Asda tried it on with them - the monies they wanted was huge - and de-listed everything this included McVities products, Hob nobs, Jaffa Cakes, Mini Cheddars. This lasted all of two weeks and you would hardly list McVities in the league of Coca Cola, Pepsi, P&G etc. Supermarkets have to have these products if they don't customers will go elsewhere.'"


As i have said, check out what happened with Premier Foods, a huge deal in the business and see what has happened to NCG now Tesco delisted them, another huge brand.

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20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
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Salford
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15:00
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Crusaders
15:00
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15:00
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v
Cornwall
15:00
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v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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