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| Quote Sal Paradise="Sal Paradise"You are a very strange individual with very obtuse views - perhaps a spell in Putin's Russia might help you overcome your misconception about the advantages of Capitalism.'"
Oh please do explain where I am being obtuse.
Also are you actually capable of answering the questions asked?
Can you see any connection?
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| Quote Leaguefan="Leaguefan"Oh please do explain where I am being obtuse.
Also are you actually capable of answering the questions asked?
Can you see any connection?'"
You have been picked up on the rain water - the point about malnourishment, thirst do I need to go any further - you are just plain bonkers
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| Quote Leaguefan="Leaguefan"It wasn't this country, and no I'm not going to say where. The Information is available if people are interested. I Suspect most are not.'"
A couple of desert states in America and some districts in Australia have local legislation to prevent farmers from hoarding rainwater in dams without first being approved so as to prevent their actions from accidentally contaminating the water which is then used on the land and gets into the water table - thats all, its a classic urban myth and conspiracy theory which holds no water at all.
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| Quote JerryChicken="JerryChicken"Its not quite the same thing but you may be interested in a new regulation that sneaked in on Jan 1st that was brought to my attention by 38 degrees or some other pressure group because it might even affect me - the Useless Vince has been petitioned about it anyway.
From Jan 1st it became a requirement for anyone who traded in web sales of media to levy VAT on those sales - this will mainly affect independent bands who sell their own audio tracks and the worst thing about it is there is no opt-out below a threshold of turnover as there normally is with VAT, even worse is that you have to levy VAT at the rate applicable to the country that the user was located in when they downloaded it (its a European ruling).
There is a threat that this will include all web sales of any type from next year, hence my own interest.
Its all gone quiet since I first read of it so not sure if its actually being implemented now but it sort of addresses the issue of taxation being diverted to the country in which the revenue was derived albeit a ridiculous sledgehammer for sole traders turning over less than the current UK VAT threshold - the petition to old Vince was to introduce the threshold to this sort of legislation but its not his governments law to tinker with.'"
This is necessary for fairness.
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| Quote Dally="Dally"This is necessary for fairness.'"
No, its necessary because the member states cannot agree on a level at which to pitch VAT or to pitch a threshold below which its not applicable.
Have a read at some of the guidelines to the new legislation (which is now active), there is a working example of an Australian touring Europe who downloads an app for his mobile from a UK company whilst he is in Belgium - what rate of VAT should he be charged ?
His mobile is registered to a provider in Australia, he' is billed by his phone service provider for the download, he is an Australian citizen and non-EU B2B or B2C scenarios do not attract VAT, furthermore the app provider in the UK won't know where he is when he downloads unless the information is passed on to them by his phone provider in Australia.
What rate of VAT, if any, should he be billed ?
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| If a UK company makes a supply then it must charge VAT. Unless the buyer produces appropriate exemption papers. it may well be that this buyer would not have to pay UK VAT on his 79p app. He should get his accountant in Australia to open up a case and have a multi-national correspondence to establish who if anyone should get the 15p or so tax. Though I'm not sure the cost-benefit case is made out.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"If a UK company makes a supply then it must charge VAT. Unless the buyer produces appropriate exemption papers. it may well be that this buyer would not have to pay UK VAT on his 79p app. He should get his accountant in Australia to open up a case and have a multi-national correspondence to establish who if anyone should get the 15p or so tax. Though I'm not sure the cost-benefit case is made out.'"
Thats the pre-Jan 1st situation IF you were above the VAT turnover threshold and registered with HMRC.
The new situation is a bit more complex, even for sole traders trading from their bedroom offices.
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| It's not, the guy downloads the app on paying his 79p and the seller accounts for the VAT element. Nobody knows or cares about anything else. It is of no interest to the bedroom trader whether the buyer is a foreign national, etc and would be wholly impractical and impossible for the trader to even attempt to ascertain this on a sale-by-sale basis. He'll just charge the default VAT (or his computer will) and that's that.
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"It's not, the guy downloads the app on paying his 79p and the seller accounts for the VAT element. Nobody knows or cares about anything else. It is of no interest to the bedroom trader whether the buyer is a foreign national, etc and would be wholly impractical and impossible for the trader to even attempt to ascertain this on a sale-by-sale basis. He'll just charge the default VAT (or his computer will) and that's that.'"
You might want to read this tangled web of complete bollax and do a quick search for some of the advisory platforms that accountants have set up, as I said it applies to digital media at the moment, next year its supposed to apply to all media, Vince is still sitting on his hands. [urlhttps://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-supplying-digital-services-to-private-consumers/vat-businesses-supplying-digital-services-to-private-consumers[/url
Or from a small business forum : [urlhttp://www.smallbusiness.co.uk/financing-a-business/accounts-and-tax/2475862/eu-vat-changes-affecting-digital-content-and-eservice-sellers.thtml[/url
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| Quote Ferocious Aardvark="Ferocious Aardvark"It's not, the guy downloads the app on paying his 79p and the seller accounts for the VAT element. Nobody knows or cares about anything else. It is of no interest to the bedroom trader whether the buyer is a foreign national, etc and would be wholly impractical and impossible for the trader to even attempt to ascertain this on a sale-by-sale basis. He'll just charge the default VAT (or his computer will) and that's that.'"
Have a quick read of [url=https://idea15.wordpress.com/category/vatmoss-euvat/this blog[/url. Heather Burns seems to have got it summed up pretty well
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| This us just another example of why the EU is dragging us all into an uncompetitive more. Small businesses general provide most employment growth but are disproportionately affected by regulation - not just tax but employment law, etc, etc which stifles growth and gives further advantage to big businesses. The EU is rapidly making its citizens poorer in a competitive world.
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