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Quote: Dreamer "John Wayne quotes"I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves."
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[i"Women have the right to work whrever they want, as long as they have the dinner on the table when you get home."[/i

And interestingly"Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday."
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And you thought he was acting when he made all them cowboy and injun movies? icon_lol.gif

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Quote: WIZEB "As long as that justified [ius[/i killing tens of thousands of innocent children in Iraq.

It's all relative, isn't it?'"


I seriously doubt any allied commander said 'right lads, today we will seek out and blow up innocent children', unfortunately there will always be unintended casualties in war, the difference is that Saddam INTENTIONALLY gassed the Kurds. The two are not the same.

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Quote: rover49 "I seriously doubt any allied commander said 'right lads, today we will seek out and blow up innocent children', unfortunately there will always be unintended casualties in war, the difference is that Saddam INTENTIONALLY gassed the Kurds. The two are not the same.'"


You can try and justify it anyway you desire mate.
The allies were responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands depending on varying reports) of innocent women and children by the military action undertaken.
If you want to appease that FACT then that's your perogative.

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Quote: WIZEB "You can try and justify it anyway you desire mate.
The allies were responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands depending on varying reports) of innocent women and children by the military action undertaken.
If you want to appease that FACT then that's your perogative.'"

It still doesn't mean the two facts should be equated. 20,000 French civilians were killed during the D-Day campaign. It doesn't mean that that equates to the same evil as the Nazi's murdering 20,000 Jews in the city of Pinsk.

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Quote: WIZEB "You can try and justify it anyway you desire mate.
The allies were responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands depending on varying reports) of innocent women and children by the military action undertaken.
If you want to appease that FACT then that's your perogative.'"


I wasn't trying to appease or justify, just pointing out the difference between collateral casualties and a direct attack aimed at killing a certain group of people. I am sure that the pilots who have dropped bombs will feel terrible about any innocent casualties, Saddam and his henchmen didn't give a damn.

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At least the families of the collateral damage can take solace in the fact they weren't directly attacked. icon_smile.gif

Ok.

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Quote: Him "It still doesn't mean the two facts should be equated. 20,000 French civilians were killed during the D-Day campaign. It doesn't mean that that equates to the same evil as the Nazi's murdering 20,000 Jews in the city of Pinsk.'"


To some, yes.

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Quote: rover49 "I wasn't trying to appease or justify, just pointing out the difference between collateral casualties and a direct attack aimed at killing a certain group of people. I am sure that the pilots who have dropped bombs will feel terrible about any innocent casualties, Saddam and his henchmen didn't give a damn.'"


How are those bomb pilots more innocent than Saddam's men? I'm not sure what the repercussions would be for men not following Saddam's instructions but I bet it was far worse than what US/UK soldiers would face if they refused orders. Given Iraq's consistent human rights violations over the decades I'm probably even underestimating that. I doubt US/UK bomber pilots operated under the same amount of fear and stress yet they are able to still justify this? Isn't that just as cold-blooded a killing?

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Quote: McClennan "How are those bomb pilots more innocent than Saddam's men? I'm not sure what the repercussions would be for men not following Saddam's instructions but I bet it was far worse than what US/UK soldiers would face if they refused orders. Given Iraq's consistent human rights violations over the decades I'm probably even underestimating that. I doubt US/UK bomber pilots operated under the same amount of fear and stress yet they are able to still justify this? Isn't that just as cold-blooded a killing?'"


Don't take the righteous justification away from them otherwise their totally fooked.

They'll have nothing else to cling too.

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Today in history - 31st December 1984

Rick Allens car accident

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Today in history - 31st December 1984

Rick Allens car accident

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20 years ago tonight the rlORACLErl teletext service disappeared from our TV screens

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rl150 years ago today - The Emancipation Proclamationrl

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Quote: McClennan "rl150 years ago today - The Emancipation Proclamationrl'"


Not quite as altruistic as it first appears

[i"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not to either to save or to destroy slavery, If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it"[/i - Abraham Lincoln

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Aye. He was a bit of a racist but I don't think that's mentioned in Spielberg's film.

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Quote: McClennan "Aye. He was a bit of a racist but I don't think that's mentioned in Spielberg's film.'"


The Emancipation Proclamation was a shrewd political move which ensured no European powers were going to enter the war on the side of the Confederacy.

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