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Nice one John!

That's put the cat among the pigeons.

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Quote: MGarbutt1986 "Bang on the money, people playing politics when tbey should be voting the way their constituents want.'"

The results of the referendum were not announced according to Westminster constituencies, but by local authority area.

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "Nice one John!

That's put the cat among the pigeons.'"


I do like John Bercow - and I can't say that about many Tories.

For a bit of light relief, Google him singing the ascending major scale of Jeremy Corbyn...

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Quote: tigertot "The results of the referendum were not announced according to Westminster constituencies, but by local authority area.'"

Shouldn't matter, a constituency MP should know, and follow, the voters wishes.

But it's OK, you'd have anyone who disagrees with you and Komrade Corbyn in the salt mines.

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "Nice one John!

That's put the cat among the pigeons.'"


Hasn't it just, we will now have to come up with something to warrant the EU agreeing to an extension to article 50.

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Quote: MGarbutt1986 "Shouldn't matter, a constituency MP should know, and follow, the voters wishes.

But it's OK, you'd have anyone who disagrees with you and Komrade Corbyn in the salt mines.'"

You mean you weren't aware & now look a prat? In the last 27 years I have voted in every local, European & GE that I was eligible. I have voted Labour twice I think. You're not doing too well today.

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Quote: tigertot "You mean you weren't aware & now look a prat? In the last 27 years I have voted in every local, European & GE that I was eligible. I have voted Labour twice I think. You're not doing too well today.'"

If I look "a prat" to you, I must be getting it right.

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Quote: MGarbutt1986 "If I look "a prat" to you, I must be getting it right.'"

Leeds voted Remain. How should Tory MP for Pudsey, Stewart Andrew, vote?

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So, it looks like no deal, or 2nd referendum. I would assume the latter is pretty much the only option in order to secure an extension to article 50.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "So, it looks like no deal, or 2nd referendum. I would assume the latter is pretty much the only option in order to secure an extension to article 50.'"


If it's a no deal it would be the EU forcing it on us which they won't, as far as I am aware, following the series of votes last week no deal is off the table for us and we have to ask for an extension to article 50 its just a matter of what reason we will put to the EU for the extension.

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Quote: POSTL "If it's a no deal it would be the EU forcing it on us which they won't, as far as I am aware, following the series of votes last week no deal is off the table for us and we have to ask for an extension to article 50 its just a matter of what reason we will put to the EU for the extension.'"

It only takes one of the 27 to veto our request for an extension and we're out on 29th, whatever. Right now, legally we are still leaving on that date regardless of the Parliamentary votes last week. If the muppets in the HoC can't vote a deal through then it's WTO terms and see ya later.

In the same vein, the EU need to offer something different for May to take her vote to the HoC again. Let's think about the logic here. If the EU don't offer anything substantially new, why would they offer an extension - in the knowledge their deal can't even be voted on again after Bercow's stunt today?

That's why some of the ERG are as happy as a rabbit with 2 cocks. They know Bercow has forced the issue and if the EU don't play ball, we're out with no deal.

Of course the EU could string it along in the hope of a 2nd referendum or somehow A50 is revoked. But again, just one veto is all it takes and there are plenty out there not particularly keen on Brussels.

I've always been ardently anti-No Deal, but if that's what it takes to get us out, so be it. Dragging it out for months serves no purpose and I (and 17M others) don't want any part of the grand EU plan, especially when they refuse point blank to reform.

May has done her best. Brexit is not a party issue and the numbers appear to be evenly spread along the scale from the very hardest Brexit all the way along to Remain. Whatever deal she (or anyone else) came back with would never please everyone.

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Quote: Cronus "

You say that May "has done her best" but, whilst I agree that there is a myriad of remain and leave views in Parliament, she has failed miserably to try and "sell" ANY vision of the future or to accommodate ANY majority of MP's.

To gain consensus, the only way would have been to ignore the hard brexitiers and staunch remainers and go for the majoriy in the middle.

The difficulty for her is that, this would very likely have split the Tories down the middle.

She has clearly put party before country and made a complete mess of the deal and with the intervention from the speaker, we are left hoping that the power brokers within the EU blink because, as you say, the alternative appears to be no deal, something which Parliament has already voted against.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "You say that May "has done her best" but, whilst I agree that there is a myriad of remain and leave views in Parliament, she has failed miserably to try and "sell" ANY vision of the future or to accommodate ANY majority of MP's.

To gain consensus, the only way would have been to ignore the hard brexitiers and staunch remainers and go for the majoriy in the middle.

The difficulty for her is that, this would very likely have split the Tories down the middle.

She has clearly put party before country and made a complete mess of the deal and with the intervention from the speaker, we are left hoping that the power brokers within the EU blink because, as you say, the alternative appears to be no deal, something which Parliament has already voted against.'"

Hmm. As far as I can tell the Tories are split down the middle anyway, and May's deal is about as 'centre Brexit' as it can be.

It's an odd and contradictory situation right now.

Firstly, Parliament's 'no deal' vote isn't legally binding. Even May can ignore it. And remember, if we end up with no extension and no deal, what happens on 29th March? Yep, out. Whether we like it or not.

At the same time - Parliament's 'no deal' vote tells the EU they have no reason to blink, meaning they have no pressing reason to amend the deal, which means the deal can't be voted on again after Bercow's stunt. And if the deal isn't going to change, why would they agree an extension? They've all been asking 'to what purpose?' regarding an extension. If there is no justifiable purpose, why agree? Don't forget - they absolutely don't want an extension leading to the UK's involvement in the EU elections in May.

Bercow may have just sealed our no deal exit.

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Quote: Cronus "It only takes one of the 27 to veto our request for an extension and we're out on 29th, whatever. Right now, legally we are still leaving on that date regardless of the Parliamentary votes last week. If the muppets in the HoC can't vote a deal through then it's WTO terms and see ya later.

In the same vein, the EU need to offer something different for May to take her vote to the HoC again. Let's think about the logic here. If the EU don't offer anything substantially new, why would they offer an extension - in the knowledge their deal can't even be voted on again after Bercow's stunt today?

That's why some of the ERG are as happy as a rabbit with 2 cocks. They know Bercow has forced the issue and if the EU don't play ball, we're out with no deal.

Of course the EU could string it along in the hope of a 2nd referendum or somehow A50 is revoked. But again, just one veto is all it takes and there are plenty out there not particularly keen on Brussels.

I've always been ardently anti-No Deal, but if that's what it takes to get us out, so be it. Dragging it out for months serves no purpose and I (and 17M others) don't want any part of the grand EU plan, especially when they refuse point blank to reform.

May has done her best. Brexit is not a party issue and the numbers appear to be evenly spread along the scale from the very hardest Brexit all the way along to Remain. Whatever deal she (or anyone else) came back with would never please everyone.'"


I agree it will only take 1 of the 27 to refuse an extension to A50 and were out with no deal, however, one of the European TV reporters said that it is very very unlikely to happen, if any of the 27 do show decent they will be taken to one side as it were and put straight.

I think your 4th para is the most likely, they would want us to have a long extension to A50 which will cost us millions to do so then eventually have another referendum with the hope that we stay in.
Even though I really want to leave the EU, I like yourself would also prefer to leave with a deal. ideally I would like us to negotiate a customs arrangement and a trade policy. It's in ours and the EU's interest to have a continued relationship and co-operation on defence, crime etc.
I never thought we would actually leave the EU and I still think that will eventually be the case.

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I can't see us leaving the EU, millions spent on a nothing exercise. HoC is a shambles.

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     National Rugby League 2024-R6
05:00
Melbourne
v
NZ Warriors
07:05
Newcastle
v
Wests
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Catalans
       Championship 2025-R6
15:00
Hunslet
v
Halifax
15:00
Oldham
v
Featherstone
15:00
Widnes
v
Barrow
15:00
York
v
Doncaster
 Thu 17th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
10:50
Manly
v
St.George
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Wakefield
v
Castleford
 Fri 18th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
07:05
Canterbury
v
Souths
11:00
Dolphins
v
Melbourne
       League One 2025-R6
14:00
Midlands
v
Crusaders
       Championship 2025-R7
15:00
Barrow
v
LondonB
15:00
Batley
v
Hunslet
15:00
Doncaster
v
Sheffield
15:00
Featherstone
v
York
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Widnes
v
Oldham
       League One 2025-R6
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Newcastle
15:00
Rochdale
v
Swinton
15:00
Workington
v
Whitehaven
18:30
Keighley
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Hull FC
v
Hull KR
20:00
Wigan
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Huddersfield
 Sat 19th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
08:30
NZ Warriors
v
Brisbane
10:35
Sydney
v
Penrith
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
Leigh
v
Warrington
20:00
Catalans
v
Salford
 Sun 20th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
05:00
Gold Coast
v
Canberra
07:05
Newcastle
v
Cronulla
 Mon 21st Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R7
07:00
Wests
v
Parramatta
 Thu 24th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
10:50
Brisbane
v
Canterbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
07:00
Sydney
v
St.George
09:05
NZ Warriors
v
Newcastle
11:10
Melbourne
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
20:00
Salford
v
Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Gold Coast
10:35
Penrith
v
Manly
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
17:30
Catalans
v
Wakefield
       Championship 2025-R8
18:00
Featherstone
v
Toulouse
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R8
05:00
Canberra
v
Dolphins
07:05
Wests
v
Cronulla
       League One 2025-R7
13:00
Cornwall
v
Keighley
14:30
Crusaders
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
Hull FC
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R8
15:00
Barrow
v
Doncaster
15:00
Halifax
v
LondonB
15:00
Oldham
v
Bradford
15:00
Sheffield
v
Batley
15:00
York
v
Widnes
       League One 2025-R7
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Rochdale
15:00
Newcastle
v
Goole V
15:00
Workington
v
Swinton
 Fri 2nd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
09:00
Cronulla
v
Parramatta
11:05
Sydney
v
Dolphins
       League One 2025-R8
20:00
Newcastle
v
Workington
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
06:00
Souths
v
Newcastle
08:30
NZ Warriors
v
NQL Cowboys
10:45
Wests
v
St.George
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Leigh
v
Catalans
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Rochdale
v
Goole V
       Championship 2025-R9
17:00
LondonB
v
York
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
17:15
Hull KR
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R9
18:00
Toulouse
v
Halifax
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
19:30
St.Helens
v
Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R9
04:50
Gold Coast
v
Canterbury
07:05
Penrith
v
Brisbane
09:25
Melbourne
v
Canberra
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
13:00
Huddersfield
v
Hull FC
       League One 2025-R8
13:00
Cornwall
v
Midlands
       Championship 2025-R9
15:00
Batley
v
Barrow
15:00
Bradford
v
Sheffield
15:00
Doncaster
v
Oldham
15:00
Hunslet
v
Widnes
       League One 2025-R8
15:00
Swinton
v
Crusaders
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Dewsbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:15
Wigan
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Wakefield
 Thu 8th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
10:50
Parramatta
v
Dolphins
 Fri 9th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
09:00
Newcastle
v
Gold Coast
11:00
Souths
v
Brisbane
 Sat 10th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
06:00
Canberra
v
Canterbury
08:30
St.George
v
NZ Warriors
10:35
NQL Cowboys
v
Penrith
       Championship 2025-R10
17:00
Oldham
v
Toulouse
 Sun 11th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R10
05:00
Melbourne
v
Wests
07:05
Manly
v
Cronulla
       League One 2025-R9
14:30
Crusaders
v
Newcastle
       Championship 2025-R10
15:00
Batley
v
Bradford
15:00
Halifax
v
Doncaster
15:00
LondonB
v
Sheffield
15:00
Widnes
v
Featherstone
15:00
York
v
Hunslet
       League One 2025-R9
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Cornwall
15:00
Keighley
v
Workington
15:00
Rochdale
v
Midlands
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Goole V
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
St.Helens
v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
09:00
Newcastle
v
Parramatta
11:00
Canterbury
v
Sydney
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leeds
v
Hull FC
20:00
Wigan
v
Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
06:00
Dolphins
v
NZ Warriors
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Manly
10:35
Cronulla
v
Melbourne
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Hull KR
v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R11
05:00
Brisbane
v
St.George
07:05
Canberra
v
Gold Coast
09:15
Wests
v
Souths
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
10:50
Canterbury
v
Dolphins
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Leigh
v
Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
11:00
Parramatta
v
Manly
       Championship 2025-R11
19:30
Sheffield
v
Hunslet
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
08:30
Penrith
v
Newcastle
10:35
Sydney
v
Cronulla
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
14:30
Castleford
v
Leeds
17:30
Catalans
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R11
18:00
Toulouse
v
Barrow
 Sun 25th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R12
07:05
NZ Warriors
v
Canberra
       League One 2025-R10
14:00
Midlands
v
Whitehaven
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
15:00
Wakefield
v
Salford
       Championship 2025-R11
15:00
Bradford
v
Widnes
15:00
Doncaster
v
LondonB
15:00
Featherstone
v
Batley
15:00
Oldham
v
Halifax
       League One 2025-R10
15:00
Keighley
v
Crusaders
15:00
Rochdale
v
Newcastle
15:00
Swinton
v
Cornwall
15:00
Workington
v
Goole V
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Huddersfield
v
Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
11:00
St.George
v
Newcastle
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
20:00
Hull KR
v
St.Helens
20:00
Salford
v
Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
06:00
Gold Coast
v
Melbourne
08:30
Gold Coast
v
Melbourne
08:30
NQL Cowboys
v
Wests
10:35
Manly
v
Brisbane
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
14:30
Leeds
v
Wakefield
       Championship 2025-R12
17:00
LondonB
v
Widnes
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
17:30
Catalans
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2025-R12
18:00
Batley
v
Toulouse
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R13
05:00
Souths
v
NZ Warriors
07:05
Penrith
v
Parramatta
09:15
Sydney
v
Canberra
       League One 2025-R11
13:00
Cornwall
v
Goole V
14:00
Midlands
v
Swinton
14:30
Crusaders
v
Rochdale
     Mens Super League XXX-R13
15:00
Warrington
v
Castleford
       Championship 2025-R12
15:00
Barrow
v
Featherstone
15:00
Doncaster
v
Bradford
15:00
Hunslet
v
Oldham
15:00
York
v
Sheffield
       League One 2025-R11
15:00
Newcastle
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Dewsbury
 Thu 5th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
10:50
Newcastle
v
Manly
 Fri 6th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
09:00
Melbourne
v
NQL Cowboys
11:00
Dolphins
v
St.George
 Sat 7th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
07:00
Canterbury
v
Parramatta
08:30
Cronulla
v
NZ Warriors
10:35
Brisbane
v
Gold Coast
 Sun 8th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R14
05:00
Canberra
v
Souths
07:05
Wests
v
Penrith
 Thu 12th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
10:50
Cronulla
v
St.George
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
11:00
Gold Coast
v
Manly
       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
08:30
Newcastle
v
Sydney
10:35
NQL Cowboys
v
Dolphins
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R15
07:05
Souths
v
Canterbury
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       Championship 2025-R13
15:00
Barrow
v
Sheffield
15:00
Batley
v
Doncaster
15:00
Bradford
v
York
15:00
Featherstone
v
Hunslet
15:00
Widnes
v
Halifax
15:00
Toulouse
v
LondonB
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
 Thu 19th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
20:00
Castleford
v
Hull KR
 Fri 20th Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R16
11:00
Wests
v
Canberra
       Championship 2025-R14
19:45
Bradford
v
Batley
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
20:00
St.Helens
v
Leeds
20:00
Wakefield
v
Wigan
       Championship 2025-R14
20:00
Featherstone
v
Halifax
 Sat 21st Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R16
06:00
NZ Warriors
v
Penrith
08:30
Dolphins
v
Newcastle
10:35
Souths
v
Melbourne
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
15:00
Warrington
v
Huddersfield
17:30
Catalans
v
Leigh
       Championship 2025-R14
18:00
Toulouse
v
Oldham
 Sun 22nd Jun 2025
     National Rugby League 2024-R16
05:00
Brisbane
v
Cronulla
07:05
Sydney
v
NQL Cowboys
09:15
Parramatta
v
Gold Coast
       League One 2025-R13
13:00
Cornwall
v
Crusaders
14:00
Midlands
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R15
15:00
Salford
v
Hull FC
       Championship 2025-R14
15:00
Hunslet
v
Barrow
15:00
Sheffield
v
Doncaster
15:00
Widnes
v
York
       League One 2025-R13
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Whitehaven
15:00
Swinton
v
Keighley
15:00
Workington
v
Newcastle
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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