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Quote: Standee "Im confident the same old stagers will blame everyone but Labour for the circumstances in which we live, and they'll want peole with some money to support the work shy and feckless.'"


And yet again, you'll be able to show that there are decent jobs for everyone who is unemployed. The unemployment are a myth – and have been for 20-30 years.

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Quote: Standee "Im confident the same old stagers will blame everyone but Labour for the circumstances in which we live, and they'll want peole with some money to support the work shy and feckless.'"

I was once unemployed and it was a dismal period of my life ... I felt useless, impotent, frustrated, unwanted, stupid, cast aside and outdated ... until I got back into work.

But, whilst I was unemployed, the likes of you would have added "workshy and feckless" to my list of attributes.

Well done for understanding.

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Quote: El Barbudo "I was once unemployed and it was a dismal period of my life ... I felt useless, impotent, frustrated, unwanted, stupid, cast aside and outdated ... until I got back into work.

But, whilst I was unemployed, the likes of you would have added "workshy and feckless" to my list of attributes.

Well done for understanding.'"


I've been unemployed too – and it's soul-destroying.

I've also worked for pennies in a tea shop. And for £60 a week, managing a shop, taking orders, dealing with customers, looking after the float at my own home, locking and opening up etc. I lost my home as a result.

I left the place that I lived in, where I had all my friends, and moved south to start all over again. I've slogged around streets selling things to people in their offices, sometimes barely taking enough home to cover my transport into London from where I was living in Reading with my parents – itself far from a pleasurable experience in my mid twenties.

I've actually been accepted for a job – and then find someone higher up has withdrawn the offer. I've lost a job on the basis of not being good at something that I was not interviewed and employed to be good at.

I've sat at home and tried to write and sell stuff, when I couldn't be out actually trying to get work, more than once to be told that I was 'over-qualified'.

People who fall for the idea that the unemployed are, per se, workshy, are, at the very best, incredibly naive.

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George Osborne couldn't run a tap properly and this doofus is the Chancellor ? He's a joke like the rest of them in the Coalition.

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The pertinent point to make, every time, is that they all applied for the job, ALL of the political party's stood at the last election, none of them withdrew their candidates stating that the economic recovery was too difficult a problem to fix, ALL of them had a plan that they thought would fix the thing - and the current incumbents DID think that they were applying a fix.

Or did they ?

There are those who tout the opinion that this is a political party shielding themselves behind a bad world economic cycle to impose their own very severe political ideology upon a country, a sort of "crash and burn" where they get one chance in 100 years to blame everyone else for the effects of pulling the plugs out on any social responsibilities that they may have been forced to support in the good times.

That would be very evil.


the more I look at them and the longer this goes on the more confused I am as to which of the two options it is, are they totally bereft of ideas or totally full of ideology, or indeed just totally self interested at the expense of everything else ?

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Quote: Standee "Im confident the same old stagers will blame everyone but Labour for the circumstances in which we live, and they'll want peole with some money to support the work shy and feckless.'"


Goalposts on wheels. Neat trick.

So are you confident that the Q1 2013 growth figures will positive, yes or no? Otherwise we will be in a triple dip, despite your insistence that we're not.

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Quote: JerryChicken "The pertinent point to make, every time, is that they all applied for the job, ALL of the political party's stood at the last election, none of them withdrew their candidates stating that the economic recovery was too difficult a problem to fix, ALL of them had a plan that they thought would fix the thing - and the current incumbents DID think that they were applying a fix.

Or did they ?

There are those who tout the opinion that this is a political party shielding themselves behind a bad world economic cycle to impose their own very severe political ideology upon a country, a sort of "crash and burn" where they get one chance in 100 years to blame everyone else for the effects of pulling the plugs out on any social responsibilities that they may have been forced to support in the good times.

That would be very evil.


the more I look at them and the longer this goes on the more confused I am as to which of the two options it is, are they totally bereft of ideas or totally full of ideology, or indeed just totally self interested at the expense of everything else ?'"


I don't think there is any doubt at all regarding the motives of the tories. They are seizing the opportunity to shrink the state by as much and wherever they can. Gifting prime contracts to their ultimate paymasters without any real tangible, long-term savings. They've even entered territory that Thatcher and Major daren't ever tread.

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Quote: Standee "Im confident the same old stagers will blame everyone but Labour for the circumstances in which we live, and they'll want peole with some money to support the work shy and feckless.'"


I don't blame Labour or the Tories for that matter for the circumstances in which I live. I blame a faulty gene that I more than likely inheritated but couldn't have been detected at my inception.

I have paid my income tax and National Insurance on the understanding that if I became unemployed or ill or both I would have my basic needs taken care of, just like I understood that when I paid my income tax and National Insurance while I was working that I was paying for other peoples children to be educated and OAP's state pension.

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Quote: cod'ead "I don't think there is any doubt at all regarding the motives of the tories. They are seizing the opportunity to shrink the state by as much and wherever they can. Gifting prime contracts to their ultimate paymasters without any real tangible, long-term savings. They've even entered territory that Thatcher and Major daren't ever tread.'"

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Quote: SaintsFan "

What a delightfully Christian response.

Care to tax your brain by actually coming up with a reasoned explanation of why those comments are so risible?

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Quote: Mintball "What a delightfully Christian response.

Care to tax your brain by actually coming up with a reasoned explanation of why those comments are so risible?'"


They all appear to reprising the rlAnne Elk sketchrl

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Goalposts on wheels. Neat trick.

So are you confident that the Q1 2013 growth figures will positive, yes or no? Otherwise we will be in a triple dip, despite your insistence that we're not.'"


It will be due to "one off factors" - the snow.

And Osborne will say the triple dip means its even more crucial than ever to stick to his plan.

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rlDanny Alexander on Daily Politicsrl

A graphic example of the Anne Elk effect

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Quote: cod'ead "rlDanny Alexander on Daily Politicsrl

A graphic example of the Anne Elk effect'"



Excellent, its always someone elses fault.

Neil actually asks the question that I raised last night - "You knew what the problems were when you formed the coalition..."

The answer ? "We relied on forecasts by economists which were wrong"

Not, "We're making this up as we go along but really there is only this one idea of what to do"

And of course you can always rely on "We inherited the biggest ...."


Still they struggle for ways to explain that as fresh faced graduates who haven't even started to shave yet they shouldn't have applied for the job in the first place, but hey, its good money...

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"Do you accept that the deficit will be higher this year than last ?"

"Its all the OBR's fault..."

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       League One 2025-R12
19:00
Dewsbury
v
Goole V
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
20:00
Hull FC
v
Castleford
20:00
Hull KR
v
Catalans
 Sat 14th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Huddersfield
v
Wigan
17:30
Leeds
v
Warrington
 Sun 15th Jun 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
14:30
Wakefield
v
Leigh
       League One 2025-R12
14:30
Crusaders
v
Midlands
     Mens Super League XXX-R14
15:00
Salford
v
St.Helens
       League One 2025-R12
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
15:00
Swinton
v
Workington
15:00
Whitehaven
v
Cornwall
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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