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Quote: SaintsFan "Then maybe you could rephrase the point?'"

Maybe you could read the thread properly and not jump into a point before you know what is being discussed?

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Quote: El Barbudo "Maybe you could read the thread properly and not jump into a point before you know what is being discussed?'"

Maybe you could stop being so defensive and rude?

I thought I [ihad[/i understood the point. If I haven't, then it's up to the person making the point to rephrase it so that I [ican[/i understand it.

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Quote: SaintsFan "No, but that is because in England the IRA was largely seen as a nationalist organisation and not a religious one.'"

Either that or the racist scumbags in the EDL (or its equivalent) could separate the IRA from all Catholics in a way they are unable to separate Al Qaeda from all Muslims.

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Quote: Rock God X "Either that or the racist scumbags in the EDL (or its equivalent) could separate the IRA from all Catholics in a way they are unable to separate Al Qaeda from all Muslims.'"

I don't think the EDL existed back in the day of IRA activity but I'm sure there were similar although I don't ever remember hearing mention of them (mind you there wasn't a 24 hour news service back then either or social networking sites so I'm sure we were a lot less informed generally).

The actions or remit of the EDL cannot be justified. Sadly, alas, it is the way of some forms of humanity to misdirect their anger.

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Quote: Chris28 "Its Wikipedia, but the first sentence rlhererl would suggest otherwise.'"


How many Muslims were there in the UK in 1707? How many when I was a kid even?

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Quote: El Barbudo "You need to read a bit of history.
You also need to recognise that mainstream Islam in the UK has condemned this dreadful attack.'"


What percentage odf the UK population were practicising Muslims in 1700? 1800? 1900? 1960?

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Quote: Rock God X "The point is that the actions of the IRA didn't cause people to attack Catholic churches, so why should the actions of Al Qaeda cause people to attack mosques?'"


Don't you read the news or even listen to muslim spokesmen on TV? Where do these youngsters get indoctrinated with this hate for the society they live in?

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Quote: El Barbudo "This reads like a justification for attacking that mosque.
Please tell me it isn't.'"


It isn't. The point I was making was that just perhaps it is an manifestation of a change in public attitudes that our politicians need to reflect.

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Quote: Dally "Don't you read the news or even listen to muslim spokesmen on TV? Where do these youngsters get indoctrinated with this hate for the society they live in?'"


I get my news from sources other than the Daily Mail.

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Quote: Rock God X "I get my news from sources other than the Daily Mail.'"


So not the left-wing BBC either then I see.

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Quote: SaintsFan "Maybe you could stop being so defensive and rude?

I thought I [ihad[/i understood the point. If I haven't, then it's up to the person making the point to rephrase it so that I [ican[/i understand it.'"

Er, no. It's up to you to re-read it and try to understand it.

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Quote: Dally "How many Muslims were there in the UK in 1707? How many when I was a kid even?'"

I have no idea on the first one, but that page suggests there were 50000 in 1961 and 226000 in 1971. Anything else you want me to read for you?

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Quote: Dally "So not the left-wing BBC either then I see.'"


I don't recall the BBC trying to demonise all Muslims because of the actions of a very small minority of Muslims, no.

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Interesting muslim viewpointshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22634095rl

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Quote: JerryChicken "Ah the old "what if it were you" line again - thats not how the law works you know, it works by standing back and taking a sensible overview and then applying a set of rules to each separate incident following a clearly defined procedure, its either that or we let some knuckleheads take to the streets to "defend" something that they can't really get their heads around to defining yet.'"


Thank you Jerry. I am indeed aware of how the law works, but that was not the question.

I'll ask you once again, if a couple of Yorkshire's Jihadists stormed in to disrupt your Sunday lunch, and proceeded to behead your youngest daughter, would you be quite so sanguine? Would their "rights" to exercise their own brand of political terrorism trump your daughter's right to life?

Or would this fine Liberal conscience which we see in your latest manifestation as "JerryChicken" simply dismiss it as a price worth paying in the greater scheme of things?

I much preferred the wit and humour of Mclaren Field.

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