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I would just like to state, I'm no republican supporter, though I do sympathise with their cause, and I'm definnitely more of a fan of their diplomatic efforts than their military ones, but could I just ask one question?

If the Germans had won the 2nd World War and basically claimed Britain as a part of a Germanic empire and, along with this, proceeded to treat sections of the country appallingly, would the British people have really been expected to sit back and allow this to happen, without any form of aggressive response?

It seems, according to some on here, we would have just been expected to sit back and accept our defeat like complete saps, and we would have had to accept Hitler, and his successors, as our rightful leader, and any attack on his authority would have been totally wrong, as they would just have been a toothless face to a ruthless regime??

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Quote: rumpelstiltskin " snip. Just a shame the bold Francis is no longer with us to enjoy it with you, eh?'"
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more of a shame that 3000 plus people are not with us because of a British decision to partition Ireland and a complete failure by succesive governments up until the 1990s to do anything tangible about a discriminatory state organisation which led to war in the first place.

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Quote: Durham Giant "more of a shame that 3000 plus people are not with us because of a British decision to partition Ireland and a complete failure by succesive governments up until the 1990s to do anything tangible about a discriminatory state organisation which led to war in the first place.'"


A war the IRA/INLA have lost.

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I wonder what this woman and the tens of thousands who were at the mercy of the provisionals and the loyalist murderers would think of some of the clueless $h1t posted on this thread. Actually it's fairly obvious what they would think.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mairead_Maguire

Easy to forget that Sinn Fein were not the only political party that represented the Catholic population of NI, but they were the only one that murdered their opponents.
I wonder what this woman and the tens of thousands who were at the mercy of the provisionals and the loyalist murderers would think of some of the clueless $h1t posted on this thread. Actually it's fairly obvious what they would think.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mairead_Maguire

Easy to forget that Sinn Fein were not the only political party that represented the Catholic population of NI, but they were the only one that murdered their opponents.


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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "...................... but could I just ask one question?

If the Germans had won the 2nd World War and basically claimed Britain as a part of a Germanic empire and, along with this, proceeded to treat sections of the country appallingly, would the British people have really been expected to sit back and allow this to happen, without any form of aggressive response? '"


I am quite sure the country would have continued to fight in response. Whether we would have used spineless c0ckheaded bastarrrds to murder little kids on a Saturday afternoon in the middle of town I’m not sure.

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Will you learn how to quote please?!!

Quote: Durham Giant "well you could always answer the question have you done anything warrior type other than type on a keyboard'"

Oh I'm sorry, what is required to pass your approval test?

Quote: Durham Giant "You talk about a moral compass and try to lecture me on the morality of war and military tactics to differentiate between military targets and terrorism ion your last post. And then for some reason WW2 does not come into it.

Once the logic of your arguments is undermined you try to move the goalposts. You should read yopur posts back.'"

Because each conflict is different. The causes behind each conflict are different. The reasons for each action are different. As time passes the standards of the age change and what is deemed acceptable in conflict change. Your comparisons are pointless and a sign of weakness that you can't stick to the issue we're discussing, you feel the need to bring up historical events in some vain attempt to back yourself up.

Quote: Durham Giant "Wiki is your frind again you are a lazy lover not prepared to look for any information to educate yourself.

The BBC article was reporting from a study of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, titled "Sanctions and childhood mortality in Iraq", that was published in the May 2000 Lancet medical journal.[49] The study concluded that in southern and central Iraq, infant mortality rate between 1994 and 1999 had risen to 108 per 1,000. Child mortality rate, which refers to children between the age of one and five years, also drastically inclined from 56 to 131 per 1,000.[48] In the autonomous northern region during the same period, infant mortality declined from 64 to 59 per 1000 and under-5 mortality fell from 80 to 72 per 1000, which was attributed to better food and resource allocation.

Those sanctions were led by Britain and the US and enforced by them therefore they have to accept the responsibility for the outcome of those actions. |But if it makes you feel better and morally superior to Republicans most of them were not directly killed by military action by the Brits, they were just slowly starved to death or denied medication or medical treatment. They even stopped antibiotics and innoculation so kids died of relatively minor infections and preventable diseases.

Maybe they were just trying to terrorise the Iraqi people by punishing them all for the actions of saddam.
You do not need to go far to find many other examples of British actions or inactions that killed millions of children you could always type in Concentration camps in SA, Bengal famine, Tasmanian aborigines etc etc.'"

Right, so where does it state "the British killed a million children". Yes, a international political effort may have increased child mortality in some areas of Iraq and yes, we do have to accept some responsibility for that.

I'm just surprised you've not brought up the potato famine yet. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "I've already stated my views on the IRA tactics of killing innocent civillians earlier in this thread.....However, it seems to me that you agree with me that any establishment figure of the opposition is a fair target??

With that in mind, we come back to the original argument, that the British Government and the Head of State were legitimate targets of the IRA and so rather than being 'murdering b**tards' they were actually fighting a fair war when aiming their guns and bombs at Mountbatten, members of the Armed Forces in Ulster and the Grand Hotel in Brighton?'"


Had the Nationalists simply targeted the RUC and the British Military, possibly even members of the Government, then there may be some credence in that point of view.
Although, for me personally, the ideal of a "fair war" does raise a smile, and is the sort of fruit bat loopery the likes of Durham would come out with. Admitedly he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, that would be a stakeknife eh Durham? 3.59765625:5
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