Donald Trump has dictated that the UK becomes a de-facto american state.
Hawaii mk2
Johnson and Farage are his instruments for doing so.

The irony of Brexit is that the one person most opposed to it, Swinson, facilitated its fruition.
Now is the time for the Lib Dem’s to really be honest with themselves as to whether they are true remainers , or watered down tories.

By the end of this parliament, as the older white Brexiteers snuff it, the remain support will be dominant.
The choice is there for the Lib Dem’s

So a dislike of a massive and rapid influx of people, leading to a squeeze on lower-paid jobs, a rapid disruption of communities and other issues such as an increase in crime, differences in culture, etc - is not xenophobia. Neither is rejecting the idea of being ruled by Brussels, or indeed their ideology. You prove the point.


Yes, I think we all know why the concept of the EU was formed. But do you actually know all that much about it?

Do you know much about the founders and long-term influencers of the early European project? Altiero Spinelli, for example? Or Professor Luigi Einaudi? There are many others, but these two were key.

Eunaudi's vision was of a 'United States of Europe' model, with power over...well, everything - a single currency, European army, total control of customs, etc. He even criticised the League of Nations for leaving sovereign nations intact. He was a major influence over Spinella.

Spinella was the founder of the European Federalist Movement, and main author of the Ventotene Manifesto, calling for European and global federation. He was a communist and federalist and became a European politician. He has been a constant driver of his ideology from within the European project and is revered amongst EU devotees and the most powerful names within the EU, as are his writings.

An example of his influence being the below (taken from rlThe EU's own biography of Spinelli)rl[sizeIn 1980, together with other Federalist-minded MEPs, he founded ‘The Crocodile Club’, named after the restaurant in Strasbourg they frequented. The Crocodile Club wanted a new European treaty. The members tabled a motion for the Parliament to set up a special committee to draft a proposal for a new treaty on the European Union, to be anything but in name a constitution of Europe.[/size'"

^ A fact for you to put against that right wing briebart type drivel.

Adolf Hitler was in our lifetime.

^^ lol

So says the little right wing fascist snowflake from Leigh, who works from home doing extended schoolkid type “work” , not got a proper job,

Nobody cares about your briebart type interpretations of EU events, as I said the only fact is there hasn’t been another Adolf Hitler, which obviously troubles you.

Carry on stewing in your discomfort, snowflake

Are you saying if Turkey joined the EU (which was creeping towards reality until Erdogan came to power), massive numbers of Turks WOULDN'T flock to EU nations? Really?

No I didn't take those claims at face value and I doubt anyone did. Inflated campaign talk, nothing more and both sides did it.

More facts I see

Lyin Boris

The problem is that Turkey was not even close to being allowed to join the EU therefore you must have believed that was possible. I think you are being a little naive if you think it did not pander to many Brexiteers.

I must have imagined the years of accession talks that began in 2005.

Two days after "Brexit Day" you appear mighty defensive.
How are you expecting our negotiations to play out.

The utter nonsense of "an easy" trade deal already looks like dreaming but, there is no going back now and we have made an enemy (in trade terms) or our closest and largest trading partner.
For me, "Brexit" was all about trade and the damage that we were welcoming upon ourselves.
Johnson, Rees Mogg and Farage were all full of "the Germans will still need to sell their cars" and it's utter nonsense.
The EU could not and will not give a FTA.
Without this, we are left looking for new customers/suppliers elsewhere in the world, whist very likely taking a "hit" on inflation.

Our economy is forecast by the Bank of England to grow by a massive 1% next year and we are, just as I have suggested for the last 3 years volunteering a new recession.

Happy Brexit

It’s not so much that I want the destruction of sovereign nation states, but I think that over (probably a very long) time they’ll wither, as global problems demand global responses, or simply overwhelm us. Where I’m unconvinced by your argument, in that it’ll definitely or even likely happen in the way you suggest, is the idea that there is a single EU power base with a single ambition.

As Lo Kuan-Chung wrote, Empires wax and wane, states cleave asunder and coalesce. Brexit isn’t the end of the world - it is only the EU. But equally, you can’t convince that staying in was pants poo-ingly scary - it is only the EU.

The majority of leave voters who I've asked why they wanted to leave the E.U. was "there are too many foreigners coming over here & taking our jobs & homes"



Why, a large number of people who voted to leave are Xenophobes.



But I'm not calling anyone a Nazi, nor have I insulted you in any way, it's just a shame you couldn't offer me the same geniality.