Quote: POSTL "So, would you mind explaining why people who voted to leave because of freedom of movement (not imigration), only did it because they were fuelled by lies and Rhetoric, secondly can you tell me how you know this ??. Can you also explain why in your opinion most racists voted to leave ??, Ive no doubt some did and used it as we saw the in the unfortunate rise of racist abuse following the referendum. How many times do we see largely peaceful demonstration infiltrated by morons who want to use it as a lever for thuggery, we have seen it in our game by a very small unwelcome minority. My point is imo people will use this type of thing for their own warped opinion, there is nothing to say that it wouldn't have happened if the vote would have gone the other way.'" Would someone who is racist and anti immigration (I know that they are not the same) vote to allow "foreigner's" to keep coming into the UK ? There was a huge anti immigration slant from "vote leave", with the now infamous poster: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-migrants Although no doubt Mr Farage was "just making a point", the message was quite stark.

Quote: POSTL "So, would you mind explaining why people who voted to leave because of freedom of movement (not imigration), only did it because they were fuelled by lies and Rhetoric, secondly can you tell me how you know this ??. Can you also explain why in your opinion most racists voted to leave ??, Ive no doubt some did and used it as we saw the in the unfortunate rise of racist abuse following the referendum. How many times do we see largely peaceful demonstration infiltrated by morons who want to use it as a lever for thuggery, we have seen it in our game by a very small unwelcome minority. My point is imo people will use this type of thing for their own warped opinion, there is nothing to say that it wouldn't have happened if the vote would have gone the other way.'" Would someone who is racist and anti immigration (I know that they are not the same) vote to allow "foreigner's" to keep coming into the UK ? There was a huge anti immigration slant from "vote leave", with the now infamous poster: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-migrants Although no doubt Mr Farage was "just making a point", the message was quite stark.

To be fair and If the Aaron Banks part is true which I don't know and without looking myself ive no reason to doubt it, and like you I thought the Farage/Ukip poster very distasteful I take your point. I would have though/hoped the massive majority of people could and should have saw through that. The reason for My question was because one of my reasons for voting to leave was/is Because of FOM (not Immigration)

My point on the second part was that just because those shameful acts took place it doesn't mean they voted to leave may have just used it as a lever. We have heard over the last year or so of both of our main parties being accused of racism and I'm pretty sure not all of them voted leave

If you look for countries where the population is most content you'll find that the Scandinavians are always high on the list. So, you may think why don't we follow their example and copy their systems of government? I can only conclude the reason we don't is because the UKs main income is from finance and i suspect a great deal of that is dodgy money. Also, our MSM is controlled and our society is still class based.

The class based system will always mean a huge gap between the haves and have nots, which is ok if those at the top throw down enough crumbs.
Unfortunately, the modern UK is just too lop sided.
Uber rich at the top and those literally with nothing at the bottom and the ones with everything, with just a few exceptions, feel that what is theirs should stay in their pockets and tax avoidance schemes ie image rights etc seem to be applauded instead of calling out those involved.

Yes I had to laugh when Rees-Smug said we have endured 47 years of penal servitude at the same time as his Government reject the proposal for Yorkshire devolution. His party & his type think it is their God-given right to rule over us. This is what Brexiteers voted for. I would rather be governed by European liberals thanks very much.

Without doubt this prime minister and government are totally incompetent, greyling especially. If he worked in the private sector he would have been fired months ago. Unfortunately the Labour opposition are totally inept ,as sal rightly pointed out Labour are behind in the opinion polls trailing this shambolic shower. Regarding wasting public money .Let’s’s not forget the 10 billion smackers that Labour wasted on the nhs failed computer system. The deal may brought back from Brussels was a complete dogs dinner. Bizarrely it crudely offered both leavers and remainders some crumbs of comfort. Nobody due to the relative closeness of the vote will ever be happy. The EU whatever one thinks about them have been consistent ,in saying that if you want to remain in the customs you have to have the full EU package. Corbyns claim that he can strike a deal whilst leaving and remaining in the EU customs union are a blatant untruth. His only ambition is to bring down the government , the seeds for this unfolding disaster can be traced back to May calling a general election ,and losing a working majority. She should have resigned straight away. Since that day she has never had any control over her party. Having to bribe the DUP has come back to bite her. Having given them millions of pounds they didn’t have the decency to back her proposal.
Another referendum would be a disaster, can you imagine if the remain vote won by a narrow margin. The leave brigade would kick up a right stink. Going on from here nobody has a clue what the outcome will be. Mays deal however unpalatable should have been passed . It would have bought business and the country time to establish some sort of trading relationship.

I agree with what you say, it really shows how bad the whole crowd that are currently in the commons if Labour are still 8 points behind a totally shambolic government, they have all just been given a nice little pay rise to boot

If there were to be a G.E who on earth would i vote for as a leave voter

I'm not sure Mays deal was that bad ive only heard what the pundits and politicians want to tell us, I wish it would have got through last night myself, being someone who voted to leave I have kicked against another divisive referendum many times as undemocratic, however, I really can't see how else we would get ourselves out of this very embarrassing situation. The problem with our democracy Imo is our voting system and most people vote for a party rather than the individual who is representing that party.

If the MP's do vote to ask the EU if we can extend article 50 later this week which we will be doing, how much will this cost the tax payer.

No deal voted down by 312 votes to 308 votes

Wow that was closer than I though to be fair

It was close because it rules out a no deal completely (although, not legally binding). Apparently, the wording was amended.

It Is ruling out no deal on 31st March not off the table completely I believe am I correct. I also believe that 4 cabinet ministers abstained. That was a close one.

May tabled a motion saying that parliament doesn’t want to leave without a deal at the end of March.

An amendment saying that parliament doesn’t want to leave without a deal at any point was passed by four votes.

The government disliked the amendment and so moved from allowing a free vote for Tory MPs on their original motion to whipping against the amended version. It then passed by 43 votes, which I think tells us everything about May’s level of authority. Some ministers defied the whip apparently, so normally their resignations would be demanded.

So the deal she negotiated has been resoundingly beaten twice, the will of parliament is against no deal, but that remains the legal default, there’s almost no time left to explore other options and the EU (or anyone of its other 27 member states) might well tell us to take a running jump when we request an extension.

So we have now got to go cap in hand to the EU to give us an extension to article 50, which will be voted on tmrw.

15 months on, this looks prophetic: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 99878f2058 As i’ve seen pointed out, you can only have 2 of the following 3: 1. Full Brexit with nothing more than a basic trade agreement 2. No internal border within the UK 3. No external border with the Republic of Ireland You can have any two, but not all three.

15 months on, this looks prophetic: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 99878f2058 As i’ve seen pointed out, you can only have 2 of the following 3: 1. Full Brexit with nothing more than a basic trade agreement 2. No internal border within the UK 3. No external border with the Republic of Ireland You can have any two, but not all three.