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| Well that’s £350 million quid gone in the NHS coffers today.
Should be enough for A few kippers to get their piles sorted  |
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| Quote: wotsupcas "No you idiot. But but true xenophobia is horrific. Comparing people who voted for brexit to real Xenophobes is crass and ignorant'"
Unfortunately you don’t appreciate that they are all part of the same continuuum.
Today’s flag wavers is entirely capable of being tomorrow’s exterminator. |
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| Quote: wotsupcas "No you idiot. But but true xenophobia is horrific. Comparing people who voted for brexit to real Xenophobes is crass and ignorant'"
I'm sure people in every country that has suffered some sort of dictatorship or regime, from either right or left wings, initially thought "it couldn't happen here". |
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Unfortunately you don’t appreciate that they are all part of the same continuuum.
Today’s flag wavers is entirely capable of being tomorrow’s exterminator.'"
So because I voted brexit I want to exterminate 6 million fellow human beings? Give your head a shake |
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| Quote: King Street Cat "I'm sure people in every country that has suffered some sort of dictatorship or regime, from either right or left wings, initially thought "it couldn't happen here".'"
Are you saying we are in a dictatorship? I must have been dreaming that I voted in December. |
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| Quote: Superblue "Not forgetting of course that the Brexit deal on offer was well rejected in the popular vote at the election ![]()
Ypu must have got a different ballot paper to me.
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| Quote: wotsupcas "Are you saying we are in a dictatorship? I must have been dreaming that I voted in December.'"
No. But like I said, don't think it couldn't happen here. |
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Quote: wotsupcas "So because I voted brexit I want to exterminate 6 million fellow human beings? Give your head a shake'"
I appreciate the subtleties if the arguement are complex .
This is a link to an incident in Norwich.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ak-english
Now with that sort of behaviour at one end and extermination at the other end there are many steps in between,
Patriotism, grievances about situation, blaming others, Stereotypes, Racism , discrimination, demonisation, conflict, persecution, expulsion, extermination.
It all starts somewhere like in Germany. That is a continuum.
My sadness about Brexit is less economic although I think that is bad is about the loss of certain ideals of internationalism, building bridges over borders, co-operation, richer countries helping poorer countries develop.
Whatever you say about the EU it has helped peace and co-operation in Europe for over 70 years. (Other than the breakup of the soviet bloc).
Now Britain will go down the same protectionist, nationalistic , jingoistic route as America.
Then you will see some using this to blame all foreigners ( non whites, or outsiders) for being the cause of our problems. Even worse it may bolster the far right in other European countries ie Italy, Poland Netherlands etc where things may even be worse. |
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Quote: wotsupcas "So because I voted brexit I want to exterminate 6 million fellow human beings? Give your head a shake'"
I appreciate the subtleties if the arguement are complex .
This is a link to an incident in Norwich.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ak-english
Now with that sort of behaviour at one end and extermination at the other end there are many steps in between,
Patriotism, grievances about situation, blaming others, Stereotypes, Racism , discrimination, demonisation, conflict, persecution, expulsion, extermination.
It all starts somewhere like in Germany. That is a continuum.
My sadness about Brexit is less economic although I think that is bad is about the loss of certain ideals of internationalism, building bridges over borders, co-operation, richer countries helping poorer countries develop.
Whatever you say about the EU it has helped peace and co-operation in Europe for over 70 years. (Other than the breakup of the soviet bloc).
Now Britain will go down the same protectionist, nationalistic , jingoistic route as America.
Then you will see some using this to blame all foreigners ( non whites, or outsiders) for being the cause of our problems. Even worse it may bolster the far right in other European countries ie Italy, Poland Netherlands etc where things may even be worse. | |
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to equate wanting control back with Nazism is just silly.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "No. But like I said, don't think it couldn't happen here.'"
I honestly don't think it could. The vast majority of people in this country are welcoming and tolerant. You will obviously get the odd nutjob but they will get shouted down by the majority. I know its old fashioned but I do think the British on the whole have an inbuilt sense of fair play. |
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| Quote: wotsupcas "Please watch Auschwitz Untold on more4 before calling your own people xenophobic. You ignorant pr##ck'"
Firstly, well done for getting around the swear filter, you're a real card.
Secondly, the definition of Xenophobia -
Relating to or exhibiting fear or hatred of foreigners, people from different cultures, or strangers.
Finally, don't try to give me a history lesson, were you even aware the E.U. was initially created to end the warfare between neighbouring countries? |
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| Quote: The Devil's Advocate "Firstly, well done for getting around the swear filter, you're a real card.
Secondly, the definition of Xenophobia -
Relating to or exhibiting fear or hatred of foreigners, people from different cultures, or strangers.
Finally, don't try to give me a history lesson, were you even aware the E.U. was initially created to end the warfare between neighbouring countries?'"
I know the definition but there's a big difference in fearing anything foreign and not wanting to be governed by a foreign power.
Save the xenophobe insult for the true Xenophobes, not just because someone voted brexit.
Words like nazi, racist and xenophobe are bandied about too often these days. They are used to insult people who happen to disagree with your political viewpoint. |
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I expect we will be governed by the US because Johnson is so desperate for a deal he would sell one of his children.
I remember that prior to the election the government indicated that there would be additional paperwork for goods entering NI. This was then surprisingly rejected by Johnson despite the evidence. Today they are saying any additional paperwork would be the fault of the EU. I sense that the pattern for the next few months is now set as expected.
We appear petty and just continue to threaten the EU, when they point this out the government suggests they don’t interfere.
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| Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "I expect we will be governed by the US because Johnson is so desperate for a deal he would sell one of his children.
I remember that prior to the election the government indicated that there would be additional paperwork for goods entering NI. This was then surprisingly rejected by Johnson despite the evidence. Today they are saying any additional paperwork would be the fault of the EU. I sense that the pattern for the next few months is now set as expected.
We appear petty and just continue to threaten the EU, when they point this out the government suggests they don’t interfere.'"
The EU position is to now refers to the UK as "competitors" at every opportunity.
This being the case, WHY would they offer a FTA AND allow the UK to negotiate "add on" deals independently with the rest of the world ??
It's not going to happen.
We will either have to pay for access to the EU, which clearly isn't a FTA or there will be tariffs in both directions, which makes things particularly interesting for Ireland (north and south), which must signal the end of N. Ireland as part of The United Kingdom.
Scotland, much like Catalonia and its relationship with Spain, will end up becoming increasingly frustrated, mind you, this would have still happened if we had voted "remain".
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What many don’t realise that to set the U.K. as a more business friendly competitor to the EU we will have to reduce the vary conditions that were mysteriously omitted from the revised withdrawal agreement. These were workers rights and food standards for example.
I expect the worst with Johnson claiming a success if it was not for the EU stopping him.
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