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| With Boris Johnson acclaiming the NHS now, it isn’t going to go down very well with the ERG and the right wing 1922 committee.
The knives will have been made in China
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| What will they do with the two specifically named nurses coming from New Zealand and Portugal. I bet Farage is disgusted that they could not find Nurses from the U.K. after all we don’t need these workers from outside the U.K.anymore.
We have and we will always needs workers from the EU but by the time Priti Patel gets off her box the government’s immigration policy will be passed and home they go, unless of course they have sadly died protecting our family members.
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| Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "What will they do with the two specifically named nurses coming from New Zealand and Portugal. I bet Farage is disgusted that they could not find Nurses from the U.K. after all we don’t need these workers from outside the U.K.anymore.
We have and we will always needs workers from the EU but by the time Priti Patel gets off her box the government’s immigration policy will be passed and home they go, unless of course they have sadly died protecting our family members.'"
So if they don't die they get sent home?
Wasn't Nige married to a foreigner?
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| He was and strangely his two children have dual nationality U.K. and German. This unfortunately does not detract from the fact he hates everything EU related with the exception of women in his personal life.
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| Had to laugh at the quote from one of the parents of the nurse looking after Bojo.
"I just find it incredible she, any nurses, can do this for 12 hours," Caroline MGee said.
"Sit and watch a patient, and twiddle away with all the different knobs to keep their patients alive."
Bumbling Boris is definitely a full-on knob.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "On the subject of government advisors, it was clear from the start that, Boris Johnson chose to flank himself with 2 health experts, so that he couldn't be blamed if things didn't go to plan.
Quite amazing that "we will go with the science" on this one but, on EVERY other aspect of government, they do as they please.
The scientists and experts on climate change, still remain largely ignored and if they are correct, the effects of the world heating up could be equally as catastrophic, albeit, not necessarily in the UK.
The UK is on course to suffer the highest number of deaths in Europe, despite Germany and France having larger populations, Germany seemingly getting through this rather better than the UK.
Lets see how it all unfolds and hope that the peak is getting very close and that at some point in the next few weeks, the light at the end of the tunnel will get a little brighter.'"
Thought we'd had enough of experts according to Gove.
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| What a miraculous recovery. Looks very wel for someone’s who just come out of the ICU. Also ignoring advice (again) to stay clear of people for two weeks after recovery.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Indeed
Patel and Hancock pretty much blaming frontline staff for using too much PPE.
True colours shining through.
The current government will NEVER admit any failure or wrong doing.
The procurement of the equipment needed here must be extremely difficult but, rather than admitting this, instead, they like to quote numbers in their 100,000's of how many pairs of gloves and aprons have been sourced.
None of this matters if the front line staff havent got protective gloves or scrubs to use.
Like I said a few weeks ago, too many here are too biased or not paying attention.
In almost every briefing I've seen attended by Whitty and Vallance, they have openly and honestly referenced the global shortage of PPE and the difficulties in distribution and supply, as well as the difficulties faced by procurement. You must have somehow missed all of this. Yes, as you mention, China was in lockdown - but that's just part of the issue.
The initial issue wasn't supply, it was local distribution. We had plenty of stock but getting it out there effectively and efficiently was the challenge. Still, as of a few days ago 761 million items of PPE had been delivered to 58,000 different settings across the UK. Has it been perfect? No. Has any nation managed a perfect supply chain throughout this? No (except possibly those producing PPE en masse). Was this ever going to be perfectly managed, anywhere? No. But - not disregarding instances of shortages - have the vast majority of NHS staff had access to PPE equipment? Yes.
But let's also look at supply. The main producers of PPE - China, South Korea, Japan and others - were not only in lockdown, but they also blocked exports of PPE at various stages to protect their own interests (understandable). China even effectively nationalised the Shanghai 3M plant - and others - to prevent exports. Furthermore, China actually IMPORTED 2.5 billion pieces of PPE equipment in Feb/Mar from the EU, Australia and others - stockpiling. Add to that the billions of masks purchased by the public across Asia and later the world, and immediately available stocks are almost wiped out globally.
As an example of the challenges being faced, we have the current issue with gowns. Sufficient stock has been ordered (surprise, surprise - from China). But some has been mislabelled at source and others have failed safety tests and so supplies are low in some areas. Another example of the reliance on cheap but poor quality goods from China backfiring - as we have also seen with equipment and indeed tests across Europe, where millions of Chinese COVID19 tests had to be binned after being found to be useless.
Yes, in an ideal world every nurse, doctor, carer, etc, etc would have an unlimited supply of the very best PPE on tap - and by saying that in absolutely no way do I underestimate the challenges and dangers they are facing. Our NHS staff are outstanding and deserve every plaudit being sent their way (as well as a pay rise). But this is far from an ideal world; it's a feckin global pandemic and the entire planet is stretched. To expect everything to run perfectly is naive.
If there's one thing we must learn from this, it's that reliance on globalisation and cheap but shoddy Chinese/Asian markets is damaging. We've shipped our industries and jobs over there, leaving us exposed when it matters.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "On the subject of government advisors, it was clear from the start that, Boris Johnson chose to flank himself with 2 health experts, so that he couldn't be blamed if things didn't go to plan.
Quite amazing that "we will go with the science" on this one but, on EVERY other aspect of government, they do as they please.
The scientists and experts on climate change, still remain largely ignored and if they are correct, the effects of the world heating up could be equally as catastrophic, albeit, not necessarily in the UK.
The UK is on course to suffer the highest number of deaths in Europe, despite Germany and France having larger populations, Germany seemingly getting through this rather better than the UK.
Lets see how it all unfolds and hope that the peak is getting very close and that at some point in the next few weeks, the light at the end of the tunnel will get a little brighter.'"
You do say some good stuff, but you also roll out some rubbish.
"Boris Johnson chose to flank himself with 2 health experts, so that he couldn't be blamed if things didn't go to plan"
Imagine what you'd come out with if we went to war, "Boris chose to flank himself with the military so he couldn't be blamed, etc..."
Of course the quality aspect is a sweeping statement but whether it's cheap Chinese crap such as 'tech', plastic gadgets or other devices, poor quality steel, faulty COVID19 tests, third-party call centres/help desks, poor quality clothing, or a frustrating conversation with "Kevin" in 'customer support' with an Indian accent so thick you can barely understand one another - exporting jobs, manufacturing and services overseas has always been something I've been heavily opposed too - and I've received no end of abuse for those views on here - a left-wing dominated forum - in the past for that sentiment.
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| Quote: Cronus "Not just deindustrialisation though, is it - for which there have been many reasons since the 60s, though I'm sure you and the rest blame the Tories - it's been the export of jobs from all sectors in favour of cheap labour and operating markets. It began with manufacturing, then since the 2000s we've seen almost any job that can be carried out via remote consumer contact similarly shipped overseas - call centres & helpdesks being the prime example.
But anyway, the 'We' would be heads of industry who favour cost savings over quality produce and UK jobs. It would be successive governments who have favoured 'globalisation' over everything else. Dare I say it: 'Britain First' henceforth?
I agree with most of what you say regarding the outsourcing of work and jobs, but isn't that just capitalism and market forces working as they should? Entrepreneurial spirit in action? That's what the UK have been signed up to for the last 40+ years. Some have benefitted, hugely. Plenty have lost out. I'd like nothing more than to be able to buy things again that not only say Made in England on the label, but like one of my vintage tweed jackets, says Styled and Made in Hebden Bridge, Yorkshire, England. Ask why this can't return, and you get the same old "it's too expensive to make it in Britain". Expensive British manufacturing has become normalised.
In the early 2000s, I used to deal with a bloke who was made redundant from heavy industry and went into web design. Fair play to him for making such a radical change, but I had to ask him how he ended up making such a change. He knew nothing about design, had never touched a web design software package, and thought search engine optimisation involved higher octane petrol. His reply? "I just take a detailed brief, flesh it out with instructions, email it to India, then a few weeks later it goes live, and any changes get made once it's online". The same globalisation which made him redundant also helped him earn again in his last years of employment. No consolation for the thousands of web designers graduating around that time.
It's like anything, there has to be a balance. Unfortunately, the majority of people who preach 'Buy British' are the same people who cheerlead captains of industry, who have shipped their enterprises overseas, and the same people who proudly buy traditional British brands, not realising they are now owned by Spanish investment companies or Indian multinational corporations.
Now the Britannia Unchained crowd are at the levers of power, do you think globalisation and leaving it to market forces will be scaled back a bit, or do you think they'll 'ramp it up'? There Is No Alternative, apparently.
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